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Link to MATCH Yahoo Group [1]

Some comments.

1: We need more creationists involved in this.

My hope is, as the project comes under way, we will be able to draw some attention from the major organizations and get some people on boardTylerdemerchant 21:05, 27 November 2007 (EST)

2: We need goals and project to start working on.

I will be adding this in the next little while. I dont want to start the project until the timeline and the format has been set. Feel free to leave your imput here.Tylerdemerchant 21:05, 27 November 2007 (EST)

3: We need a time frame to work on. I suggest a two year dead line.

I like your idea. I was thinking of creating a timeline for the course of the project.Tylerdemerchant 21:05, 27 November 2007 (EST)

4: If we get more credible members, then we can actually try to publish our results in creationist journals.--Nlawrence 18:33, 27 November 2007 (EST)

This is of course, the ultimate goal. I think numbers will matter as well, as the more people involved in the project, the more coverage it is going to recieve.
Here are always very good places to start looking for journal material. [2] [3]. Also do NOT forget to check out the PEER-REVIEW editing procedures on CreationWiki. --Tony Sommer 21:15, 27 November 2007 (EST)

So you know, I already posted my first survey on my talk page.--Nlawrence 21:22, 27 November 2007 (EST)


The timeline is open to discussion.

Because of difficulties recruiting, I think administrators sould be welcome to join indefinately and we will have to put a cap on it when we start acquiring project members.--Tylerdemerchant 15:30, 9 January 2008 (EST)

Some concern

I'm going to delete my personal information on my talk page. If we are going to do this project, anti-creationists WILL look into who we are.The last thing I need is a stalker.--Nlawrence 21:27, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Thinking ahead, smart. However I wouldn't worry to much about a stalker. Just don't put your address or phone number up and you should be OK. --Tony Sommer 21:29, 27 November 2007 (EST)

I research family trees for me and several people, so I know how to find info on people. I could find out nearly everything about you with just your screen name.

Also, I think It's just best for the project. Critics could cite our inexperience in the issue.--Nlawrence 21:55, 27 November 2007 (EST)

People we could e-mail

let's start with the obvious. Mr. Ashcraft. He has a MS in biology.

People who we could contact by e-mail

Jerry Bergman Art Chadwick Robert Mitchell Sean Pitman Frank Sherwin Todd Wood --Nlawrence 22:05, 27 November 2007 (EST)

O.k., then you can go ahead and start working on contacts and drawing people in, but wait until we have a little content up so that it is more appealing.--Tylerdemerchant 06:22, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Anyone from AIG, ICR, CRS, etc.?

Suggestions for questions

We need to have to types of questions. Majors and minors.

What is the current creationist understanding of mutations and is it viable?

What are the many different point of views that creationist have on the topic?
What work has been done in creation journals related to mutations?
What is MATCH's model for post-flood adaption?
What is MATCH's model for mutations?
Is there room in the Bible for "evolutionary" biology? (as in new information)

What is the current evolutionist understanding of mutations and is it viable?

How many papers in secular journals from 1990 to the now that suppport the "No New information" theory have been published?
What are the supposed mechanisms to increase information and are they for real?
What are the proposed examples of "new" information and are they accurate?

What are mutations?

What are the effects of mutation
What effects has gene tranfer had on creation?
What are the limits of mutation?


It is also important that we decide on our definitions and post them. Discussion is open to all members.

Discussion Policy

I would prefer a MATCH yahoo group because the features that come along with it would help formal the research BEFORE it's posted here. It would be best research wise. It would all be insanely privet and we can do our work in peace.--Nlawrence 22:28, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Mr. Ashcraft has approved our project and is keeping an eye on it. I doubt he will bother much of his time on it until we get some serious content. We are also going to use the yahoo group.--Tylerdemerchant 23:31, 29 November 2007 (EST)
CreationTalk is already well established and is the recommended discussion forum for CreationWiki editors. --Mr. Ashcraft - (talk) 08:32, 30 November 2007 (EST)

Joining the project

I'm just wondering...If I were to join or be a part of this, how would I be involved? I don't have a whole lot of extra time on my hands and was just wondering how involving this would be. Thanks! --Amanda  17:28, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Well Amanda you could simply be one who is editor when the time comes, which won't be for a while, or journal researcher, etc. --Tony Sommer 17:44, 28 November 2007 (EST)

You could e-mail people to spread the word.--Nlawrence 18:10, 28 November 2007 (EST)

becuase of your experience, it would be incredibly valuable to have you as an administrator. However, if you choose to be a contributor, you could play as big a role as you want. As we add content and subjects, there might be something you find interesting, or you just might want to be a reviewer. Whatever you choose. Just having your name on the list would be a benefit.--Tylerdemerchant 18:36, 28 November 2007 (EST)
Well, I would certainly like to be a part of it. I am pretty good in English and like writing so I would love to be an editor when the time comes. Additionally, I also like researching. So, count me in! --Amanda  21:27, 28 November 2007 (EST)

The project sounds interesting, and I'm interested in helping out in what way I can. My particular area of interest (some would say obsession) is in computer simulation of evolution, and I think that might actually be a considerable asset to consider in such a project. Wewert 22:01, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Welcome everybody, keep the word spreading, we are looking for a creationist majority consensus upon the issues involved. --Tony Sommer 22:21, 28 November 2007 (EST)

What exactly are you looking for in a "contributor" or a "reviewer"? What sort of qualifications, and what sort of commitment? ~ MD Otley (talk) 06:01, 31 December 2007 (EST)


Hey everyone. Just letting everyone know that MATCH is still a go. Right now, personal matters have swayed me to avoid online discussions and contributions, but I am still actively involved in gather info and studying the mutations. I am focusing entirely on mutations and natural selection so my knowledge is becoming quite specialized.

God Bless everyone who is still interested in the project and I am looking forward to beginning construction of the MATCH model in the fall.

--Tylerdemerchant 23:00, 23 April 2008 (PDT)

Recently-published research of interest

A Creationist Perspective of Beneficial Mutations in Bacteria, published by Answers in Genesis, as part of "Answers in Depth", vol. 4, no. 1. I think this goes right to the heart of what MATCH is about. ~ MD "Webster" Otley (talk) 02:00, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

 ;D, great post! --Tony 03:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)