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Relativity shows geocentrism is true (Talk.Origins)

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This article (Relativity shows geocentrism is true (Talk.Origins)) is a response to a rebuttal of a creationist claim published by Talk.Origins Archive under the title Index to Creationist Claims.

Claim CH910:

Relativity states that there is no favored frame of reference, so a geocentric frame is as good as a heliocentric one.

We know that the difference between a heliocentric theory and a geocentric theory is one of relative motion only, and that such a difference has no physical significance. [Hoyle 1975, 416, cited in Willis 2000]


  • Willis, Tom, 2000. "The Laws of Cause and Effect, and the 1st and 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics have been invalidated by modern science", Part 2. CSA News 17(2) (Mar/Apr): 1-2.

CreationWiki response:

The majority of CreationWiki agrees generally with Talk Origins on this point, but there is a fundamental error in the way the matter is dealt with by Talk Origins.

Talk Origins entitles this point "relativity shows geocentricity is true", but this is a straw man. Geocentrists don't use the above quote to say "[only] geocentricity is true". They simply use it to point out that geocentricity is as good as heliocentricity to highlight how unfair the scientific community are when they ridicule it as opposed to the helio- or a-centric model of solar system/universe. They acknowledge that the quote does cut both ways.

So a lot of what Talk Origins says to deal with this subject is irrelevant to geocentrists.