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GAP: There are no known fossil hominids or apes from Africa between 14 and 4 Ma. Frustratingly, molecular data shows that this is when the African great apes (chimps, gorillas) diverged from hominids, probably 5-7 Ma. The gap may be another case of poor fossilization of forest animals. At the end of the gap we start finding some very ape-like bipedal hominids:

Between 14 and 4 million years ago according to evolutionary time dating methods. In this gap falls the time when, evolutionists claim, chimps and gorillas diverged from hominids. Evolutionists now claim to have found this ancestor; it is called Sahelanthropus tchadensis and nicknamed “Toumai.” It is dated by evolutionists as "early-Pliocene" using other fossils, so evolution is assumed in the dates given for it. There is also evidence that suggests that it is really a female gorilla. So much for the latest missing link.

  • Australopithecus ramidus (mid-Pliocene, 4.4 Ma) -- A recently discovered very early hominid (or early chimp?), from just after the split with the apes. Not well known. Possibly bipedal (only the skull was found). Teeth both apelike and humanlike; one baby tooth is very chimp-like.

What was found? Fossils were collected from the surface at 17 different positions spread over 1.55 km and probably represent 17 separate individuals. The holotype (ARA- VP-6/1) is based solely on eight teeth, most of which were damaged. Other material discussed as representing A. ramidus included parts of the base of a skull (ARA- VP-1/500) found 550 m away, and fragmented arm bones (ARA- VP-7/2) found 270 m away. The larger pieces of bone exhibited carnivore teeth marks. Eleven of the fossils were comprised of a single tooth, a piece of tooth or, in one case a piece of bone. The paucity of material is illustrated in the detailed treatment given to a single deciduous (temporary) molar tooth found 1.55 km from the location of the holotype. In appearance and measurements this tooth looks identical to a chimpanzee's (Pan paniscus) tooth.

The fragmentary nature of the Australopithecus ramidus finds and their distribution put its reality into question. Even if Australopithecus ramidus did exist as a species, the remains are too fragmented to really know what it looked like or what other species it may be related to.

  • Australopithecus afarensis (late Pliocene, 3.9 Ma) -- Some excellent fossils ("Lucy", etc.) make clear that this was fully bipedal and definitely a hominid. But it was an extremely ape-like hominid; only four feet tall, still had an ape-sized brain of just 375-500 cc (finally answering the question of which came first, large brain or bipedality) and ape-like teeth. This lineage gradually split into a husky large-toothed lineage and a more slender, smaller- toothed lineage. The husky lineage (A. robustus, A. boisei) eventually went extinct.

"Lucy" is the most complete Australopithecus afarensis ever found and it is dated at 3.9 Million years.

This palate shows that the dentition of early humans was essentially ape-like. It had broad "spatulate" incisors -- wide front teeth that are spatula-like in appearance, visible in the frontal view at the top -- and the cheek teeth were arranged in sub-parallel rows, giving the dental arcade a distinct "U-shape" (visible in the inferior view, bottom). Notice also the presence of a diastema, or gap, between the canine teeth and the outside incisors, again similar to apes and not humans.

Since the teeth are so apelike why can't it have belonged to an ape?

The importance of the fossil footprints at Laetoli cannot be overstated. They demonstrate incontrovertibly that 3.6 million years ago, early humans were bipedal (walking upright on two legs). Their big toes hardly diverged from the rest of the foot, this can be seen in the photograph at the top right of the imprint. In comparison, a chimpanzee has a highly diverged big toe, and is able to use it like a thumb. Additionally, it is possible to tell that the gait of these early humans was "heel-strike" (the heel of the foot hit first) followed by "toe-off" (the toes push off at the end of the stride); the way modern humans walk. Thus, bipedality was essentially developed by this time.

Even though they go on to attribute the prints to Australopithecus afarensis, their description shows just how human the tracks are. These footprints seem to be human. Since no bones were found, the only reason for attributing these prints to Australopithecus afarensis is because they were found in strata evolutionarily dated at 3 million years.

The fossil called "Little Foot" ( Fossil Stw 573 ) had the first Australopithecus foot bones ever found. It had four articulating foot bones. The joints in the foot bones showed a flexibility that suggests the foot was capable of grasping tree-limbs, like a chimpanzee's foot and totally unlike a human foot. Simply put, Australopithecus could not have made the Laetoli Footprints, so these were probably made by a human. Finally, there is evidence that Australopithecus is still alive on the Indonesian island of Sumatra.

  • Australopithecus africanus (later Pliocene, 3.0 Ma) -- The more slender lineage. Up to five feet tall, with slightly larger brain (430-550 cc) and smaller incisors. Teeth gradually became more and more like Homo teeth. These hominids are almost perfect ape- human intermediates, and it's now pretty clear that the slender australopithecines led to the first Homo species.

The most famous fossil is known as the "Taung Child."


Australopithecines are clearly all the same kind of animals, and they were simply a type of ape. They seem to have walked both upright and on their knuckles. It has also been suggested that they are ancestral to modern apes and that the apes we know are just degenerated Australopithecines.


  • Homo habilis (latest Pliocene/earliest Pleistocene, 2.5 Ma) -- Straddles the boundary between australopithecines and humans, such that it's sometimes lumped with the australopithecines. About five feet tall, face still primitive but projects less, molars smaller. Brain 500-800 cc, overlapping australopithecines at the low end and and early Homo erectus at the high end. Capable of rudimentary speech? First clumsy stone tools.

There is some question concerning whether Homo habilis actually existed. It seems to be a mixture of different types. Even if did exist, it has been misclassified. If it did exist it probably should be classified as Australopithecus habilis. The alleged stone tools could be human artifacts, usually a tool's evolutionary date — not fossils — identifies it as belonging to homo habilis.

  • Homo erectus (incl. "Java Man", "Peking Man", "Heidelberg Man"; Pleist., 1.8 Ma) -- Looking much more human now with a brain of 775-1225 cc, but still has thick brow ridges & no chin. Spread out of Africa & across Europe and Asia. Good tools, first fire.

Evidently the physical differences between Homo erectus and modern man are so small as to show that they are the same kind as Homo sapiens. Their general body structure is human, and their brain size is within the range of modern man's. There is also evidence of some degree of culture among Homo erectus.

There is also evidence that Homo erectus are still alive. There are reports from Asia of wild men called Almas. The evidence shows that they seem to lack the ability to speak, but this could be a degenerative condition, or even a cultural taboo against speaking to outsiders. If the reports are true, they are human since one — called Zana by the villagers who captured her in the 1800's — had several children by some of the men of the village. The village Tkhina is located in the Ochamchire region of Georgia, a Caucasian country which is a former province of Russia. The evidence shows that Homo erectus is fully human and should be classified as Homo sapiens, erectus.

  • Archaic Homo sapiens (Pleistocene, 500,000 yrs ago) -- These first primitive humans were perfectly intermediate between H. erectus and modern humans, with a brain of 1200 cc and less robust skeleton & teeth. Over the next 300,000 years, brain gradually increased, molars got still smaller, skeleton less muscular. Clearly arose from H erectus, but there are continuing arguments about where this happened.

This is another name for Homo heidelbergensis. One fossil skull — known as the Broken Hill skull — was originally classified as a Neanderthal. This fossil is quite interesting, since it has a hole on its left side that has been identified as a bullet hole complete with exit wound on the underside of the skull. If the bullet hole was the result of an ancient skull's being shot while lying on the ground, such a shot would have shattered the dry skull. The wound had to have been made while the person was alive and was probably the cause of death.

This leaves two possibilities, both of which eliminate this skull and other heidelbergensis skulls as evidence for evolution.

  1. Ancient man had guns.
  2. This is the recent skull of a deformed individual.

Archaic Homo sapiens is essentially a category for fossils that do not fit the Neanderthal or the Homo erectus types. The reasons why they are classified as Archaic Homo sapiens are:

  1. Different skull morphology from the Neanderthals.
  2. Many are dated earlier than Neanderthal, but more than half are dated at the same time as Neanderthal.
  3. Cranial capacity that is too large to be classified as Homo erectus.

Unquestionably, Archaic Homo sapiens were members of the human race.

  • One famous offshoot group, the Neandertals, developed in Europe 125,000 years ago. They are considered to be the same species as us, but a different subspecies, H. sapiens neanderthalensis. They were more muscular, with a slightly larger brain of 1450 cc, a distinctive brow ridge, and differently shaped throat (possibly limiting their language?). They are known to have buried their dead.

Neanderthal' appearance seems to be a result of extreme old age. 300-400 years old. Genesis 11

Neanderthal children are usually depicted as having large brow ridges, this is contrary to evidence. The skulls of Neanderthal kids do not have the thick brow ridges. That is because the brow ridges grew over many years. In fact the human skull grows in a manner during adulthood that would produce a Neanderthal-looking skull if we lived long enough. Neanderthals were not primitive humans; they were post-flood humans who lived to 400+ years. An interesting fact is that they had larger brains than we do. Sounds like we have lost something.

  • H. sapiens sapiens (incl. "Cro-magnons"; late Pleist., 40,000 yrs ago) -- All modern humans. Average brain size 1350 cc. In Europe, gradually supplanted the Neanderthals.

Here we are, if you want to see Homo sapiens sapiens look in the mirror. The simple fact is that Homo erectus, Neanderthals and modern man are all part of man kind with no real evidence of a relationship to Australopithecus and other apes.


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