Talk:Human Y-chromosome DNA Haplogroups
Identifying Haplogroup A and Haplogroup B
The line of Seth with two branches, one down to Noah and one to immortal Enoch, and the line of forever protected Cain after his repentance draws exactly the same tree as found in the now known Haplogroups with BT as Seth, CT as Noah, B as Enokh, and A as Cain respectively. However, there are a couple of major problems which would need addressing before settling for this. 1 Firstly, Jesus seems to indicate that most of us should not claim Seth as ancestor but rather the archetypal murderer i.e. Cain (unless he is only talking to Rechab's Cainites). 2 Secondly, since the line of Seth would be the Children of God who produced Gibborim by daughters of Hadam (Neanderthal descendant Humans), it seems strange that Giants should be such a surprise to the Israelites when they spied on the land of Canaan (unless the surprise is that daughters of Hadam had appeared there to bare such children). It is therefore worthwhile discussing an alternative which satisfies these problems.
An elegant solution could be simply to regard the Haplogroup CT sons of Noah as sons in law adopted through marriage into the lineage of Haplogroup A to which Noah would belong making them not actually direct patrilineal descendants of Seth through Enoch as Noah was. In this case Haplogroup B would be the forever protected Cainites, while CT would be the few children of Hadam redeemed from the earth through Noah (widening the importance of Genesis 6:7-8). Stray members from the Haplogroup A lineage of Enoch who had found daughters of Hadam in Canaan and sired Giant offspring by them would then be quite an exceptional surprise for the Israelite spies and, moreover, one which is backed up by members of Haplogroup A maintaining a presence around the region even to this very day.
Either way, one would certainly be the line of Enokh, and the other would certainly be Cainite.
Agreed, sadly this chart is not based on real research or real Biblical evidence. Some creationists are worst than pagans for their mythology and worst than evolutionists for faking stuff. --Anaccuratesource 17:23, 25 December 2011 (PST)
Kaz 13:01, 20 April 2011 (PDT)
I don't where your getting your information from? Cain's line perished in the FLood, no one alive today is a descendent of Cain.--MithirandirOlorin 10:24, 5 June 2011 (PDT)
Identifying Haplogroups with specific names on the Table of Nations is flawed
All of Noah's Family and all the people at Bible had the same Genetic variability. What determined the various ethnic features and corresponding Genes of people who scattered from Babel is where they settle,d not who they descended from. Anyone who settled in the heart of Africa would become "Negroid" no matter their ancestors where. People make a big deal of DNA and it is a big deal, but fat even we don't even understand 10% of it yet and the ability to use it to determine Ancestry is in fact flawed once go far enough back it can only really determine the direct Matrilineal or Patrilineal lines. Simply correlating Ham=Negroid or Shem=Caucasoid or Japheth=Negroid is simply don't set us up for many straw men. And all those old terms derives fomr a Darwinist viewpoint anyway, Creationism should be objecting to using them all together.--MithirandirOlorin 10:20, 5 June 2011 (PDT)
Historical documentation only should be used to determine who descends from who in Genesis 10, like Bill Cooper lays out in After The Flood. Not our flawed modern assumptions about "Race" another term Creationists should object to.--MithirandirOlorin 10:22, 5 June 2011 (PDT)
Haplogroups
I challenge this chart.
The chart claims what about the Hapologroup J, however please review the evidence presented below:
Genetics of Cohen: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Aaron); and on what basis do know if x is twin with x? Japheth was Negroid, Ham was; re-read the Bible. Look up what Ham means in Hebrew, research where descendant populate, e.g., Cush (Africa and Middle-East) Mizraim (North Egypt) etc.,
The Bible provides evidence that Japheth descendant mainly populated mainly the Indo-Europe; Shem: mainly in the Middle-East ("Semites"); Ham: mainly in the Middle-East and Africa.
We need a better explanation! --Anaccuratesource 17:23, 25 December 2011 (PST)
- - This model shows the R haplogroup as descending from Jacob. However, King Tut and ancient Europeans descend from this Haplogroup. My family (Irish) descends from R1b. This page is based on a crack-pot model. I think it should be subject to deletion. --Anaccuratesource 22:24, 5 July 2012 (PDT).
If King Tut had R haplogroup Y-DNA that is not enough to disprove this current chart. Regarding the Irish, there is a study showing a common Irish mtDNA Haplogroup subclade J1c was found for the early Sardinians whom are believed by many to be of the Tribe of Dan. There was certainly some intermixing between Egyptians and Israelites as well so we don't know if King Tut didn't have any Israelite ancestors. --Zerosen 10:51, 14 March 2020 (EST)
Shem and Japheth can't be Twins.
Ham was born between them. Most references list Shem first because the Bible came from Semites, only Genesis 10 is listing people in the modern they were born, and it specifically calls Japheth the oldest and Shem the youngest.
I don't see how how D can be Canaan when it solely exists pretty far away from Canaan. I think D is Cush hence the Hindu Kush. I've come to doubt the Cush of Africa ever had anything to do with Ham's son. I think Patelrineal descent from Canaan is probably long wiped out by now and Phut is the Basal DE found in Western Africa. I think all of E is Mizraim.--MithrandirOlorin (talk) 17:20, 19 May 2019 (EDT)
A better one?
User:Joseph D. Pelobello (Daniel William "Danny" Wilson)/YDNA Haplogroups
See CreationWiki:Coffeehouse#British/Nordic Israelism? for why...
Joseph D. Pelobello (Daniel William "Danny" Wilson) (talk) 22:15, 4 December 2021 (EST)
