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This article (Man and dinosaurs coexisted (Talk.Origins)) is a response to a rebuttal of a creationist claim published by Talk.Origins Archive under the title Index to Creationist Claims.

Claim CH710:

Humans and dinosaurs once lived together.

Source: Woodmorappe, John, 1996. Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study, Santee, CA: ICR.

CreationWiki response: (Talk.Origins quotes in blue)

1. There are no human fossils or artifacts found with dinosaurs, and there are no dinosaur fossils found with human fossils (except birds, which are descended from dinosaurs). (Out-of-place human traces such as the Paluxy footprints don't withstand examination.)

In many cases Talk Origins' "refutation" of out of place human traces such as the Paluxy footprints does not withstand examination. This assertion is also challenged by Human Skeletons that were found in Cretaceous strata, this is severely damaging to evolutionary theory. It was reported in Desert Magazine in 1975. Many other out of place fossils have been found but are rarely reported in the "scientific" literature because of the overwhelmingly corrupt scientific establishment where if you do not favor evolution you do not favor science.

They are simply labeled "Problematica" and discarded. More information on this can be found here, and much more is available via the Links and Book references provided therein.

Also, to quote Woodmorappe:

Does it actually beg the question to suggest that ancient

humans have not been found in the early geologic record because they occur at very low frequencies? I think not. It is like saying that we should not expect seas of molten metal at the Earth's surface because the air temperature never exceeds some 50°C, whereas most metals don't melt below thousands of degrees C. As it utilises the same logic, my argument is neither logically nor epistemologically circular. After all, I present independent evidence on the volumes of sedimentary rocks along with plausible population figures for the antedivulian world. Also, the claim that we should have at least found a few truly ancient humans is, at best, a non-sequitur. To use the needle-in-haystack analogy, we would not expect any needles to be found if the haystack is large enough (say, many kilometres across), even if all the able-bodied people on the planet Earth had spent their entire life-times rummaging through it.


Furthermore, there is an approximately 64 million year gap in the fossil record when there are neither dinosaur nor human fossils. If humans and dinosaurs coexisted, traces of the two should be found in the same time places. At the very least, there should not be such a dramatic separation between them.

There is a similar "gap" between man and the coelacanth but the coelacanth is alive and well today and still coexisting with man. There are many other examples of such living fossils. So the existence of such a "gap" proves nothing.

Furthermore, both "gaps" are based on uniformitarian dating methods (evolutionary bias). So at best this argument can be restated as, "your theory does not work under my theory so your theory must be wrong", which is fallacious science at best. In fact, there actually is lots of evidence that Dinosaurs are not millions of years old, and that they existed during the same time as man, on this earth. Reference Unfossilized Dinosaur Bones for more information on this.

2. If dinosaurs and humans were found together, it would not be a problem for evolution.

The way most evolutionists react, they give the contrary impression. The existence of "living fossils" shows that a lack of fossils does not mean that an animal was not living when a given layer was laid down.

Evolutionists rely on the assumption that a lack of fossils means that a given species was not living when a given layer was laid down, (absence of evidence as evidence of absence), as demonstrated by Talk Origins' first response to this claim.