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Therefore, I will alter this paragraph to reflect Biblical orthodoxy. If the author can reference a published source that attributes Nephilim to other created lines, then we might add a reference to unorthodox opinions on the subject.<br /> | Therefore, I will alter this paragraph to reflect Biblical orthodoxy. If the author can reference a published source that attributes Nephilim to other created lines, then we might add a reference to unorthodox opinions on the subject.<br /> | ||
[[User:Grifken|Grifken]] 14:51, 27 May 2007 (EDT) | [[User:Grifken|Grifken]] 14:51, 27 May 2007 (EDT) | ||
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There are many errors in this article. In the first sentence, it states that the Nephilim were called giants. This is not supported by scripture. "Nephilim" is fallen, or possibly feller: a tyrant or bully. Several English translations rendered the word "giants", but of late translators seem to prefer leave it untranslated. The "giants" translation may have come from the Greek old testament where "nephilim" was "gegantes" which looks like "giant" but in modern Greek would be "titans". In Greek mythos, the titans were the supernaturally powerful offspring of gods and humans. | |||
The lead states that the Nephilim "appear to have made a resurgence after the flood but were killed and dispersed by armies of normal men and various tribes". Is there any support for this statement? The only mention of Nephilim on the earth after the flood is part of the bad report from the spies in Numbers 13. Their report is called "bad" (or "evil" depending on the translation) three times in short order, so it can hardly be considered a reliable source. Just because the Bible records the report, it doesn't mean it endorses the report. | |||
The section on the characteristics of the nephilim includes several post-flood accounts and descriptions, but none of these are of the ''nephilim''. The are the Emim ("terrors" if I recall correctly), and the "Rephaim" (''these'' are the giants, and also tyrants), the "Anakim" (the people of Anak). None of these are linked with the pre-flood nephilim. The appears to be 2 possible reasons for the purported link of these peoples to the nephilim. Firstly the Anakim are linked to the Nephilim in Numbers 13, but again that is the evil report, so scratch that. Then the Rephaim are giants (in fact these peoples are generally described as being tall or large) and seem to have been thus matched with the Nephilim based on the ''English'' rendering of "giants" in Genesis 6. The apocryphal accounts of the nephilim ascribe great size, but this is not a title and is still not a link to the post-flood peoples mentioned. So that whole section is incorrect. The summary list of characteristics only has one entry that belongs as all the others deal with these other peoples, rather than the Nephilim. | |||
"Still others hold that the Sons of God were other created men." I have never ever come across this before. Who are these others that hold this view? The view seems quite eisegetic, and actually counter to the Scriptural role of pro-genitors ascribed to both Adam and Eve. This really needs to be fleshed out more, to indicate where this view is coming from and why. | |||
Anyway, that is probably more than enough criticism for now. I apologise if I seem to have "dismissed" somebody's hard work but I have actually been looking hard at Nephilim in Scripture lately so this is all fresh in my mind. Much of the latter portion of this article is more about giant humans in general than Nephilim specifically, and may be better suited to a "Giants" article. Is there currently such an article?[[User:LowKey|LowKey]] 14:08, 29 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
