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King Nebuchadnezzar is reported said, “I raised the summit of the Tower of stages at Etemenanki so that its top rivalled the heavens.” One fragment relates the fall of such a ziggurat in these words: “The building of this temple offended the gods. In a night they threw down what had been built. They scattered them abroad, and made strange their speech. The progress they impeded. (paraphased from the All scriptures inspired). - Thank-you! --Anaccuratesource 01:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Where did that report come from? If you have a citation for that statement, I'd like to see it.

(Bible and Spade, by S. L. Caiger, 1938, p. 29 --Anaccuratesource 22:11, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Which Nebuchadnezzar are you talking about? Surely it's not the same Nebuchadnezzar who finally sacked Jerusalem and threw down the Temple?--TemlakosTalk 01:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

The same Nebuchadnezzar, but king Nebuchadnezzar was only restoring an older temple (called in ancient times E-temen-an-ki). Also a pattern exists in describing the tower as well. - Compare Genesis 11:4; Jeremiah 51:53.

Also a text of Skarkalisharri, king of Agade (Accad) in time of the biblical patriarchal era, mentions him restoring a temple-tower at Babylon, implying that such a structure existed prior to his reign. (Bible and Spade, by S. L. Caiger, 1938, p. 29

The ziggurat located at Uruk (the Biblical: Erech) was built with clay, and bricks, as well as asphalt (bitumen).—Compare Genesis 11:1-9. clay bricks, and bitumen. - Thank-you! ----Anaccuratesource 22:11, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Racism has no place with Believers

In reading this article I was shocked to see a promoting of disgusting vile racist trash.

I was horrified to read: "What if we are trying instead to address cultural differences in-the-name-of racism? This would fly in the face of God's purposes at Babel. God deliberately separated the cultures and did not give anyone permission to reconcile them. God knows the cost of a one-culture model - they will build edifices to their own glory and forget about God. It therefore in God's best interests to keep the cultures separated. This keeps power from amassing into the hands of a few, trampling the inalienable rights of the many. It also keeps power from reverting to mob rule, trampling the inalienable rights of the few."

  • — Christians recognize we all are brothers and sisters (Matthew 23:8)
  • — Humanity descends from one man (Acts 17:26) and one woman (Genesis 3:20)
  • — God is not racist (Deuteronomy 10:17; 2 Chronicles 19:7; Acts 10:34, 35; 15:9; Romans 2:11; 1 Peter 1:17) "there neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman... all one with Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:8; Ephesians 2:14, Colossians 3:11)

  • — Moses married a non-Israelite named Zipporah (a Kenite). To see what happened to a person who complained about it (Numbers 12:1-10)
  • — Rehab (a Canaanite) and Ruth (a Moabite) were non-Israelites, Bathsheba (the mother of King Solomon) was likely also a non-Israelite. Yet it's evident in scripture God blessed them and they became ancestresses to human lineage of Jesus Christ our Lord (Matthew 1; Luke 3).
  • — "The gifts of tongues" this was speaking gibberish they were speaking other intelligible languages (Acts 1 & 2; 1 Corinthians 14:22-33)
  • - Parthia

  • - Media

  • - Elam

  • - Mesopotamia (Modern-Day Iraq)

  • - Judean

  • - Cappadocia

  • - Pontus

  • - The province of Asia (Asian Minor)

  • - Phrygia

  • - Pamphylia

  • - Egypt

  • - The regions of Libya near Cyrene

  • - Sojourners from Rome

  • - Both Jews and proselytes

  • - Cretans

  • - Arabs

  • — The Bible exhorts Christians to marry "in the Lord" not within in your 'race' or social bracket. (1 Corinthians 7:39; 2 Corinthians 6:14)
  • — Pushing a racist agenda is not Biblical and it stems ungodly traditions (Matthew 15:1-8; Mark 7:1-13; Colossians 2:8) and those pushing it are the adding their own teachings to the Bible (1 Corinthians 4:6; 2 Corinthians 12:20; 3 John 9; Revelation 22:18-21)
  • — Racism has no place with believers! --Anaccuratesource (talk) 22:19, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

Language Confusion

I don't know why this article attempts to suggest all languages originate from one original language. God confused the languages. If anything that suggests new lexis, grammar, etc.

  • — "Thus, after God confused their language, not only did the builders at Babel lack “one set of words” (Ge 11:1), one common vocabulary, but they also lacked a common grammar, a common way of expressing the relationship between words. Professor S. R. Driver stated: “Languages, however, differ not only in grammar and roots, but also . . . in the manner in which ideas are built up into a sentence. Different races do not think in the same way; and consequently the forms taken by the sentence in different languages are not the same.” (A Dictionary of the Bible, edited by J. Hastings, 1905, Vol. IV, p. 791) Thus, different languages require quite different thought patterns, making it difficult for a new learner to ‘think in the language.’ (Compare 1Co 14:10, 11.) This is also why a literal translation of something said or written in an unfamiliar language may seem illogical, often causing persons to say, “But it doesn’t make sense!” So, it appears that, when Jehovah God confused the speech of those at Babel, he first blotted out all memory of their previous common language and then introduced into their minds not only new vocabularies but also changed thought patterns, producing new grammars. — Compare Isa 33:19; Eze 3:4-6."
  • — Source, Insight from the Scriptures, volume 2, Language, page 202.

  • - "The Dominican friar Diego Durán (1537–1588) reported hearing an account about the pyramid from a hundred-year-old priest at Cholula, shortly after the conquest of Mexico. He wrote that he was told when the light of the sun first appeared upon the land, giants appeared and set off in search of the sun. Not finding it, they built a tower to reach the sky. An angered Lord of the Heavens called upon the inhabitants of the sky, who destroyed the tower and scattered its inhabitants. The story was not related to either a flood or the confusion of languages, although Frazer connects its construction and the scattering of the giants with the Tower of Babel." — Wikipedia
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  • - Mesoamerica, Aztec:
  • - "The Aztecs' story maintains that only a man, Coxcox, and a woman, Xochiquetzal, survive, having floated on a piece of bark. They found themselves on land and begot many children who were at first born unable to speak, but subsequently, upon the arrival of a dove were endowed with language, although each one was given a different speech such that they could not understand one another." — Wikipedia
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  • - Turner, P. and Russell-Coulter, C. (2001) Dictionary of Ancient Deities (Oxford: OUP)
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Issues with the Chronology in the article

  • - Article from what I understand based on James Ussher, "when Noah was 706 years old, Shem was 204 years old, Arpachshad was 104 years old, Salah was 69 years old and Eber was 39 years old."
  • - Based on Biblical chronology it would appear sometime after 2269 B.C.E. and before 2020 B.C.E. the death of the patriarch Noah.
  • - Noah (Died at 950, so we are looking at Noah's 901-950 years). Fun fact: in the Mesopotamian "Epic of Gilgamesh", some identify elements of Gilgamesh with possibly the Biblical King Nimrod, and post-Flood survivor he looks for the one who built an Ark and survived the Divinely sent Great Flood in Sumerian: Ziusudra/ in Akkadian: Utnapishtim believing him to be immortal.
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In the mythological story "Epic of Gilgamesh", one can see a bit of garbled and distorted version of events. One might elements similar to the truth to the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve, the Nephilim, Nimrod and are garbled and distort in the story. Nimrod and the people building the tower of Babel was evidently before Noah's death, Noah would already be more than nine centuries old, almost a millennia of existence. Already people's lifespans are appearing shorter in the record. Shelah Nimrod's 2nd Cousin (shared the mutual male ancestor Noah) lived to 433, less than half the lifespan of Noah. Shem outlived his son Arpachshad. There must have been stress about people's lifespans dropping.

Jewish Tradition

the Babylonian Temple of Etemenanki