Talk:Decline of atheism

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• The title of the article takes for granted that atheism is losing its appeal. but this is a subjective statement, which varies by individual. for some, atheism is losing its appeal. for others, it never had any appeal at all. for still others, its appeal has only grown. the title of the article seems to assume something as true that is hotly debated;
• Perhaps this article should take a step back from trying to "prove" that atheism is losing its appeal. Those who are not atheists already know this, and those who are atheists do not think it is true.
• Perhaps this article should instead focus on particular issues in atheism, including:
  • Changing demographics over the years;
  • Arguments made for and against in recent years;
  • recent developments in science that make atheism appear less probable

what do you think? Ungtss 22:29, 14 December 2005 (GMT)

• I suggest we retitle it "Issues in Atheism" or something in that vein, to provide for a more neutral tone. Ungtss 22:39, 14 December 2005 (GMT)

I don't agree with the above. The secular Europeans except for Muslim immigration are in a declining population situation. Also, Europe is in the doldrums currently. Christianity is exploding in Asia as a whole (because China is so populous) and I cited good sources. I could continue but I think I made my point. Creationist 23:19, 14 December 2005 (GMT)creationist

• I don't understand what you mean. I agree with you that Christianity is exploding in China. But do you not agree that the article should adopt a more neutral tone while keeping all the extremely strong evidence to support your point? Ungtss 23:22, 14 December 2005 (GMT)

From a worldwide perspective atheism is losing its appeal. I think we should call a spade a spade and not sugar coat it or obscure this. In the lands of the former Soviet Union and in China atheism is less popular and in China Christianity is exploding. Those are huge population centers. Secular European influence is waning (secular population stagnation, etc. etc.). I say blast the trumpet because the politically correct types are not going to do it.

Creationist 23:31, 14 December 2005 (GMT)creationist

i definitely believe in sounding the trumpet -- but what do you say we blast the trumpet with the facts that support your opinion, and tone down our conclusions about it? facts are magical: they speak for themselves. i just don't want our facts to be drowned out by our proclamations of victory:). Ungtss 23:37, 14 December 2005 (GMT)

I don't believe that "Issues in atheism" is a good title for the aforementioned reasons. Also, "Issues in atheism" will likely never be read as I believe it is a rather dull title. I think it obscures things to boot. Creationist 23:44, 14 December 2005 (GMT)creationist

You may very well be right. What about "Decline of Atheism" I'm just looking for something a little more concise and neutral. Nobody can argue against the fact that atheism is declining, worldwide. but they can argue about it losing its appeal. or any other suggestion you might have would be great, too ... Ungtss 23:46, 14 December 2005 (GMT)

I am glad you didn't take the above criticism personally. I just think "Issues in atheism" is a boring title. I do think you made some improvements to the article. I have no problems with the "decline of atheism" as a title. Creationist 23:49, 14 December 2005 (GMT)creationist

Fantastic:). Nothing personal here -- we're all on the same team, trying to put this wiki together:). I'll make the change:). Ungtss 23:52, 14 December 2005 (GMT)

I am glad that red ugly reformatting tag is gone for the article. I just sent a email to someone I know who owns a site that gets 1 million hits a month to link to the article. He linked to my Bible scientific foreknowledge article at 5 places on his website. I am merely asking for one link for this article. :) Creationist 00:07, 15 December 2005 (GMT)creationist

good deal:). Ungtss 00:36, 15 December 2005 (GMT)