Anticreationist debate tactics

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When it comes to an anticreationist debating a creationist, there is always a different standard (bias) projected toward any creation evidence or comments. For the anticreationist, his evidence for evolution is always broad. But when creation evidence is compared to it, the anticreationist will always demand absolute evidence. Which is something that they cannot produce themselves, but will require from others. It is good to point out that their standard for creation is not the same standard for evolution when this happens.

Anticreationists are frequently uncivil and even hostile. Many of them often come into a forum lying from the very beginning, are easily angered, and complain if they are not heard. They are experts at guilt trips. Some are swift to use cuss words and are also swift to call other people names. And always have to have the last word. Engaging in a discussion with such a person requires diplomacy that is not natural to the human condition, and may only be available to someone truly able to demonstrate Christ-like love.

Contents

Attacking Creation Theory

Anticreationists claim a common creator theory has never been put forth by "credible" scientists. This shows that credible scientists do not always need an education. Just agree with the currently accepted view and you are accepted as credible. Disagree, add a Creator, and your education is no longer a factor. For science, this is a unwritten rule that works like a controlled matrix, and keeps scientists in-line and going only in one direction to a one way path that "always" points to evolution. It is a mind control game that keeps the players (the scientists) in order through fear — fear that if they disagree, all the money and time spent getting an education would become worthless. This is how science is controlled: through the strong arm tactics of Darwinist fundamentalists who will do anything to keep their theory the only accepted theory for origins, even though they will claim evolution is not about origins.

In the scientific world of naturalistic views, only those who accept the naturalistic theory of evolution are held to be credible. Education or achievement are discounted as the basis of credibility or the means by which someone might be accepted. Making the taboo choice of a Creator means being rejected as a scientist and no longer being considered credible.

An Iowa professor said that,

“ Professors should be able to fail any student, no matter what the grade records indicate, if the professor discovers the student is a creationist. Furthermore, the student's department should have the right of retracting grades, and possibly even degrees, if the student becomes a creationist later. (Kendrick Frazier Skeptical Inquirer Fall, 1983) ”

This tactic demonstrates that evolutionists insist on having full domination and control over the education sector of any society that allows it to be taught.

“ In summary, I think Koonin should give a little credit where credit is due to gradual, stepwise evolution, and not try to argue that Darwin's eye discussion is all that orthodoxy has going for it. Being revolutionary and unorthodox is much more fun, of course, but sometimes you've got to wonder how many hangovers (i.e., creationist quote-mining and general confusion over the status of evolution outside of the specialist community, and needless wrangling within the specialist community) could be avoided if scientists would exercise just a little caution during the party (i.e., spending a little time soberly comparing their revolutionary ideas with more prosaic explanations).

Until this week I worked at the National Center for Science Education, where we oppose the ID/creationists and develop a finely-tuned sense of the sorts of things they will pluck from the literature and desperately portray as evidence that they aren't completely nuts. However, I am well aware that telling scientists to censor themselves to avoid giving creationists talking points is a non-starter, so hopefully my comments came out as being substantive rather than just the boring voice of orthodoxy. ([1] quoted Oct 11, 2007 and maybe subject to change or removal in the future)

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To paraphrase, the above is warning scientists not to say anything that may oppose naturalism or support Creationism/ID, no matter what the evidence. They would rather you censor anything that opposes naturalism than that you be objective and scientific by publishing the truth of the matter. So "exercise just a little caution" by being very careful not to let anyone know that the evidence really doesn't support universal common descent (UCD).

Creationsism is not real science

Anticreationists often make the claim that Creationism is unscientific [2] and attempt to represent the creationist theory as unscientific by demonstrating broad, unwarranted statements and by providing diagrams and examples which would be readily rejected by the mainstream creationist community.

Claiming the power of God

Ever try to say that the power of God did something, or perhaps a miracle is responsible for an event described in the Bible only to have it thrown back in your face with the claim that this is a cop out? What is being done here, is an attempt to make the creationist deny the most powerful explanation for anything in the Bible. They basically have, what can be called, "God did it."

To stop it from working, the creationist need not worry about what anticreationists think about him when he says it.

God lied

If a creationist makes his point to the anticreationist which totally contradicts the evolutionary assumption there is a very good chance that the anticreationist will accuse God of being a liar. This tactic is used to make the debate more personal without actually pointing a finger directly at the creationist they are debating. If the creationist takes it personally, it will look bad on them.

Basically, the creationist could say it takes an absolute truth to make another view an absolute lie. It has yet to be seen where any theory has reached that level of truth. For even science itself teaches there are no absolutes. It is also very easy to make snide remarks as the debate goes forward. It is best to refrain from this because the debate becomes a "one up" game. A one up game brings up bad attitudes from both sides, and does not set a good example for other Christians that may be observing. The one up game dies quickly if the creationist does not respond in kind. And it makes the anticreation argument look even weaker when the one up game is used. Remember, what is said is being read by other Christians. It is better to back out of a debate that has gone bad, then to tarnish the name of Christ by being a bad example to others.

God is deceptive

This is usually used when the creationist makes a point the anticreationist cannot argue with, or has no answer for. The deception actually lies in where they refuse to look at any other view but a naturalistic one.

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2Timothy 3:7 (KJV)

Because they will not read or try to understand the word of God, but will rather read everything else that supports their naturalistic view, God basically becomes deceptive in their minds. They also use this excuse when they refuse to see what you are explaining that happens to contradict their view. Probably the most famous way this phrase is used is when a creationist claims that God created every thing within the universe with age already added upon the day it was created. Because this is a simple explanation, and also shows God's power in His creation. They will try and claimed that God deceived us by doing that. No, the deception is their refusal to even consider another view that is beyond their own. So the deception is chosen by them, and is totally their own fault.

God used magic

This is actually a direct mocking of God. The anticreationist is trying to convey that God uses evil power (magic), which is also known as witchcraft, to do His work. This direct mocking of God shows that the person the creationist is debating does not respect the creationist view in any way, shape, or form. Terms like poofing something into existence will be used, but basically implies the same thing. But it also plants bad seeds in the minds of all those who read this comment on a Christian forum when it goes un-challenged. So upon this comment being made, ask them if making God out to use witchcraft was their intent, and if they would be so kind to list all verses where God actually used magic.

Making the anticreationist have to actually say what they were implying in a more direct manner will make them think twice about doing it again. Unless they want to eventually get banned on a Christian forum.

God created evil

God created man. Man chooses evil over good. So the Creator only created choice. In other words, God does not directly create evil. But indirectly because of the choice of His creation.

Attacking God's Word

God's word is an allegory

This is the anticreationist cop out. Because they do not want to address the truth that is written in God's word, but because they also might get in trouble calling it an outright lie, they will use a word that allows them to imply a lie without committing to that meaning. In this way, they can also back out if needed. Their delusion of what truth is makes them look for such words that allow them to twist truth as much as possible, and yet be able to back out. This tactic is basically used to frustrate the creationist. It can either be ignored, which takes away its power to frustrate, or it can be asked as to what meaning is being used. For example: Are you implying that God is a liar? Bringing into the open what is being implied takes away the power of what they were trying to do. Exposing their tricks is like bringing evil out into the light so that everyone can see what they were trying to do. Otherwise, by not doing this, the creationist is allowing what was implied to plant a bad seed in all who read the anticreationist's claim.

Also, when the word parable is being used for creation. It is good to know that the word parable is not ever mentioned during creation, or in the same verse that creation is related to. The word parable is not mentioned until this verse:

And he took up his parable, and said, Balak the king of Moab hath brought me from Aram, out of the mountains of the east, saying, Come, curse me Jacob, and come, defy Israel. Numbers 23:7 (KJV)

Bible teaches flat earth

Anticreationists believe that when God's word mentions the four corners of the earth it is referring to a flat earth.

And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Isaiah 11:12 (KJV)

The argument is that a sphere cannot have four corners. What they do not understand is that the biblical language often uses one word for several meanings.

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. Revelation 7:1 (KJV)

Here we actually see what the four corners are. They are the same as the four winds which easily reference the four directions of the earth (North, South, East and West) which are the directions in which wind can blow.

The anticreationist will also use the The Flat Earth Society (FES) [3] to make their claim seem to have weight. I have yet to meet a young earth creationist that belongs to this or even believes what they preach. From the FES forum you can tell it is not Christian by nature because they allow vulgar words to be posted. They also allow mocking and fighting among members. Most of the members who are flat earthers and post on the FES forums are atheists.

Small numbers in the Bible

This is an excuse used by theistic evolutionists, evolutionists, and old earth creationists to try and discredit the biblical timeline. The highest number actually mentioned in God's Word is 1 million.

And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them. Genesis 24:60 (KJV)

Notice that this is in the book of Genesis that this is listed in. What this means is that God gave man the ability, from the beginning, to count and express numbers as high as 1 million. Not only did the people in biblical times have the ability to actually express a number as high as 1 million, they even had the ability to express numbers higher than 1 million through math multiplication.

A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. Daniel 7:10 (KJV)

10,000 x 10,000 = 100 million. And they could express 1 billion through this same way by saying: 1 thousand times 1 million which equals 1 billion as said in Genesis 24:60 (KJV).

Misspelling Jesus

Many anticreationists misspell the name of Jesus. It is their way of mocking the Savior and those who put their faith in Him. Examples include missspellings such as; Jezus [4], Jebus [5] in mocking pictures, comments and phrases.

Semantics

Where problems exist in the evolution theory, there is an attempt to separate those problems into different categories of science. An example is the creationist phrase "From goo to you." Evolutionists do not like dealing with the problems involved with any goo to you question. So they pawn it off as abiogenesis, and will claim it is not part of the evolution theory. So it just needs to be said: If it's not a part of the evolution theory, let us totally take out abiogenesis and see just how far evolution can get without it. Abiogenesis is a major foundational pillar for evolution. To take it away is to watch evolution crumble without it. Removing abiogenesis from evolution is like removing the Creator from creation. Neither will work without the exact thing that started it all.

Equivocation

Equivocation [6] is changing or switching the meaning of a word during a debate. Which is where the anticreationist will change or switch the meaning of a word, in the middle of a debate, to try and confuse the debate opponent. Or to gain some type of control of a debate that is being lost. This also applies to the subject below.

Types of evolution

This is another attempt to separate different problems of evolution. But these different types of evolution are written by their own hands. They will even try to pawn off the first 4 types of evolution as something that only Kent Hovind thought up, but that in itself is not true, as scientific books and written papers prove.

The types of evolution are as follows:

  1. Cosmic evolution[7] is the origins of time space and matter. And is basically summed up in the Big Bang theory.
  2. Stellar and planetary evolution [8] deals with the origin of stars and planets which is part two of the Big Bang.
  3. Chemical evolution [9] deals with the origins of higher elements from hydrogen. But does not explain how over 100 elements evolved.
  4. Prebiotic evolution [10] or the origin of life and is also called abiogenesis (and sometimes its proponents use the phrase "chemical evolution" to refer to origin-of-life theories). But is still part of the evolution theory.
  5. Microevolution are variations within the kind, and is the only one out of all this list that has been observed. Most creationists tend to advise against using this term however, because the issue is not the amount of change but the direction of change.
  6. Macroevolution is change from one kind unto a totally different kind. This has never been observed, and is only hypothesised to actually happen. Most creationists advise against this term for the reason above.

God used 6 days to create everything and used one more day to rest. 7 is the number of completion. 7 is also God's perfect number. So 7 can also be said to be God's number of origins for His creation. The number 6 is the number of man. There are six types of evolution. So 6 is man's attempt to explain origins without God. 6 is also part of the trinity of numbers of the Antichrist known as 666. The Antichrist will be the exact opposite of God, and evolution is also the exact opposite of God's creation as shown below.

The Bible Evolution theory Exact opposite?
1) Earth before sun. 1) Sun before earth. Yes
2) Oceans before land. 2) Land before oceans. Yes
3) Light before sun. 3) Sun before light. Yes
4) Land plants first. 4) Marine life first. Yes
5) Fruit tree before fish. 5) Fish before fruit tree. Yes
6) Fish before insects. 6) Insects before fish. Yes
7) Plants before sun. 7) Sun before plants. Yes
8) Marine animals before land animals. 8) Land animals before marine animals. Yes
9) Bird before reptiles. 9) Reptiles before birds. Yes
10) Man brought death in the world. 10) Death brought man into the world. Yes
11) God created man. 11) Man created God (out of need). Yes
12) Atmosphere between 2 layers of water. 12) Atmosphere above water. Yes
13) All life was created by God. 13) All life just happened, and evolved. Yes
14) There is a Creator. 14) There is no Creator. Yes

God used divine intervention to create life. His word commands, and breathe, created all life. Satan was cast to the ground like a bolt of lightening (electrical charge). The bolt of lightning symbol is the symbol of Satanism [11]. It is also how evolution explains how life was started in the primordial soup of amino acids as the Miller experiment shows.

God's means of multiplying life is through the male fertilization of the reproductive eggs of the female. While on the other hand evolutionary sciences means of multiplication of life without the way God created, is through cloning. Cloning does not require male fertilization of the female egg. Instead, it takes a low voltage shock, also known as electro-fushion [12], (like lightning is claimed to have started our origins, and how Satan was cast out of heaven) to start the egg splitting process. This would be considered one of Satan's counterfeits for what God did. And there is deep debate on whether a cloned human (Satan's counterfeit) would have a soul, because it totally goes around the way God intended life to be multiplied.

All elements in the universe (periodic table) get their properties based on their combinations of 3 specific sub-atomic components (a trinity). Protons, Neutrons, & Electrons. No element has the same combination, in other words Gold has 79 protons, 118 neutrons, 79 electrons while [13] Carbon (man) has 6 protons, 6 neutrons, 6 electrons or 666. This will be the number in which the Antichrist will be identified by. And because a clone does not have working sexual organs, this explains why a cloned Antichrist will not have need for a woman.

Changing the meaning

If the evidence does not fit the definition of the word used by science, then change the meaning of the word to fit the evidence (or what is known as circular reasoning). The main example of this is how science can no longer really define evolution. Each generation, according to when they were taught evolution. Will have a different definition of what evolution is according to what they were taught. And no two scientific sites will have the same definition of evolution unless they copied it from the same source. So as the evidence supports a different direction, the meaning of evolution changes to stay in-line. In this way the theory constantly "appears" to be never wrong.

So just like the layers in the geologic column cross contaminate the fossils. The evidence for evolution now cross contaminates the meaning of evolution. One cannot prove some thing wrong that is forever changing to appear right. For example, if a witness in a court of law kept changing his or her testimony with each circumstance in which the same question was asked to fend off guilt, they would be considered an un-credible witness.

Forum Tactics

The members of the Christian forum who disagree with evolution, will be browbeaten (badgered) by the anticreationists. This plants bad seeds in those who are weak in the faith, and makes it possible for them to lose their faith. The link below is an example of a member of a well known Christian forum, losing their faith in the literal word of God.

Christian Forums [14] has a thread that was edited to take out all Christian responses that were warnings to the one who renounced his faith. All non-believer posts that were mocking those who were concerned about the member losing his faith were also edited. Remember, this is all done on a supposed Christian ministry forum and proves that what something looks like on the outside, has nothing to do with what is on the inside. And these fake Christian blogs and forums are popping up all over the net.

Notice that not only did he renounce YEC (Young Earth Creation) and the literal word of God, but he also became an "X-Christian" (listed on the top left side of their post). Notice that he also now considers himself a free thinker (an anticreationist's trade mark). This is an example of why a Christian forum should never allow anticreationists to speak too freely, or at least they should allow creationists the same freedom of reply rather than kneecapping their own side, in the name of "Christian love" of course, if the creationists follow the biblical challenge-riposte method. Some antitheistic anticreationists will claim that a believer can believe in evolution and God (theistic evolution) at the same time, but in practice the "theism" is for all practical purposes no different from atheism when it comes to Earth history. Also notice how well prepared his renunciation of YEC was, presumably done with the help of other anticreationists. This was also an attempt to weaken the faith of more people on that forum, and to drag them in the same direction in which this person has gone.

Tag teaming

In forums where a bunch of anticreationists can gather, and pretty much do as they please, they will tag team a creationist while debating him (have seen tag teaming as much as 10-1).

Bait threads

This is to draw creationists in on subjects the anticreationist happens to be well versed on. Once the thread is open, they already have their ready made answers at hand, and are waiting for their first victim. They will invite a couple of friends that think like they do to help out in keeping the thread under their control as the debate progresses. Some bait threads are so bad they pounce on the first creationist poster like a pack of wolves.

Entertaining the lurkers

Lurkers are those who have been invited to watch the spectacle that will be displayed by the other anticreationists. The lurkers very seldom join the forum. They just sit in the background and relay messages via messenger to the ones who are posting, giving them answers and ideas on what to say. You can always tell when a game is about to begin when the visitor count suddenly jumps up. A few anticreationists will also show up about the same time.

The lurkers and the posting anticreationist work as a team. This is why they often come up with good quick answers. Between the lurkers communicating with the anticreationist poster, you are probably debating 10 or more people at one time, but one is responding for all of them. About the only time some of the lurkers will join is when the anticreationist poster is not doing so well in debating the creationist. They join because in their minds a creationist can never out do an evolutionist. They will even lie to make sure of that.

Cloak and dagger

Many anticreationists will join under false world views, in which they will claim to be a Christian, but yet be an atheist. As they pose as a Christian they will try and stay just under the radar of the mods and admins as they attack the Christian faith every which way that they can. Their main target is usually creation views. Their main hate is the "literal word of God". So the main group they set their sights on are the YEC believers.

Because they believe what they believe (evolution) and their hate can only be bottled up for so long before it comes out, they will expose themselves by what they say. It is good to set the edit time on new members to a short time (15 minutes). In this way they cannot take back what they have said when they slip up. This exposes them more quickly so that the forum admins can boot them.

Cloak and dagger tag team

This is where two anticreationists will join at about the same time. They will both select a world view that they feel is true (Christianity) in hopes the mods and admins will be more lenient on them as they debate. Their main goal is to work as a team. One will test the faith of the members of the forum, while the other anticreationist (the team member) will back his posts up by agreeing with them. It can always be told who they are because: they are usually online at the same time, usually post in each other's threads, and never post in the regular Christian sections (only the creation vs evolution section).

I did not say that

When a current live debate (both parties are online) is going on, the anticreationist likes to say things to make the creationist mad (things bad enough to get banned over). As long as the mods are not around to see it, the anticreationist can change his words after the creationist responds to them and then go on to claim he never said that. This is why it is important to quote the anticreationist comments in the creationist post. He can edit and change his own posts, but he cannot change or edit yours. Quoting is like taking a snap shot of what was said, so if he claims he did not say it, you will have evidence that he did.

How quick can I get banned

This is a forum test game to see if the written rules are being enforced and to see how far they can go before the mods and admins come after them. This will happen at new Christian forums, forums that debate creation vs. evolution, and forums that just started a section on creation vs. evolution.

If the forum is lax in enforcing its rules, the "how quick I can get banned game" will show just how lax they are. Once it is determined by the anticreationists that the forum is workable in their favor, many anticreationists will join with the sole purpose of the destruction of that forum ministry. The tactics and methods listed on this page will be used to try and put the forum in total confusion, as well as to try and get every Christian on that forum to compromise.

I'm going to spam your e-mail

When debating anticreationists, if good enough at it to make them mad. They will call upon one of their e-mail spammer friends to spam your e-mail. This is why it is important to have more than one e-mail address for use. One for joining forums and one for personal use. Or just choose to not display your e-mail address in your forum profile. If you are joining a atheist-evolutionist website, where they are the mods and admins, it is best never to use your personal e-mail address because in their mod and admin control panel they can see your e-mail whether you hide it or not. Just go to yahoo, or google and sign up to use their e-mail for that purpose.

The way to tell if you are being spammed by a anticreationist spammer is that their spam mail always makes no sense. They use paragraphs from books to fill text space in the e-mail. There is never a contact address, nor a link. Real spam always has something to sell. Always have links or e-mail addresses to respond to.

The one up game

This is where the anticreation is actually losing the debate; or he or she finds this is the only way to win the debate (even though most E vs. C debates are not winnable by either side). The one up game is like the child game often played by children. One where each side says something to down the other side. Like a mocking competition.

For example, my mocking of what you believe is better than your mocking of what I believe. It really has nothing to do with the debate, it just shows the frustration of both sides. It is easy to get caught up in, but is best to avoid.

The one up game usually consists of untrue snide remarks either made on a personal bases (about the person), or about what they believe, or a general categorization that mocks that person. The untrue remarks prove that what the anticreationist believe is based on a lie, because they have to use a lie in order to defend it. The one up game gives that lie momentum. A lie actually has to gain momentum, and keep that momentum in order to work. It is a show of weakness during a debate when they basically cannot compete on the same level anymore.

I'm a gay Christian

This is where the anticreationist is homosexual and will use being a Christian to try and make homosexuality look OK, as being part of the Christian lifestyle. They will start threads on this subject, and try and make everyone feel uncomfortable. They will have their fake Christian friends join in for support and ask questions that will always end up making all Christians look like they are not politically correct. Or are religious bigots. They will use sites like; God hates fags [15], although this is condemned by most conservative Christians, to try and stir up trouble. The best way to stop this is to close every thread that does this, and give out warnings to thread starters.

Imply what was not meant or said

To keep a creationist from making a point that the evolutionist cannot refute. The anticreationist will often resort to "implying" that the creationist said some thing that was not said. And then harp on it to throw off the point that was made by the creationist. To go around this one, the creationist just needs to ask the anticreationist for the post in which their implication about what was said, can be confirmed. When the post cannot be supplied, point this out, and move the thread forward in subject being debated.

AKA, inside the subject derail of thread

Without changing the subject of thread, anticreationists try and derail the thread from within the subject being debated. And even though the anticreationists will claim to be smarter, and more educated than the creationist. They will constantly claim to "not" understand what creationist is saying. In this way, the thread gets stuck in the mud trying to make one point, and all the other points are soon forgotten (this is the anticreationist goal). And cannot move forward. To get around this, after explaining it at least twice. Tell the antocreationist that it's not the creationist's fault that their education does not allow them to see what they see. And that the creationist explaination most be beyond their comprehension.

False worldviews

Most anticreationists are not well versed in biblical theology and therefore avoid debates that concern this. They hate the Word of God, so most will refuse to use the Word of God to make their point. They will either not use Bible verses at all, or very little. When they do use Bible verses they usually take literal interpretations of scripture and twist the truth in order to support their view.

The anticreationists basically stay in the creation and/or evolution sections of a forum and very seldom post anywhere else in the forum. Anticreationists always have to be right, and will debate and argue until the other side either quits posting or concedes. They always have to get the last word. Even if they have to pm, or e-mail someone to do it.

Anticreationists will also single out the members that are the most damaging (get in their way) to the goal they want to achieve at the forum they wish to destroy. They will stalk and hound these members. They will always attack the threads they start and, if allowed, make snide remarks about them. What they want is to make the member either leave or concede.

The anticreationists will always defend evolution. Just start a thread against it and see how quickly they all join in. They all will work as a team to support each other as the thread goes on.

Using other religions

Currently some anticreationists are experimenting with false world view such as being Islamic. They will claim to hold some type of creation belief through that religion. But when the debate on evolution gets hot and heavy, they will expose themselves as they do what comes naturally to them. Which is to defend evolution. Whenever a supposedly religious person converts his view to evolution in one post, 99% of the time it's a member parading under a false world view.

The reason the anticreationists are using the Islamic world view, claiming that that is what they believe, is because they know that most people know very little about that religion, and would walk on eggshells as they debate them. So they know that with this view, they can play games with the Christians on that forum. The problem is that most Islamic people dislike Christians so much that they don't like talking or debating with them. So there is more than a 90% chance that the the claimed Islamic belief is false. Hinduism falls into the same category.

Both Islamic and Hindu religionists have been known to kill Christians (another reason the anticreatnioist like to use these world views) just for what they believe. So why would they debate them? They also believe that both Christians and Jews were bred from animals [16]. One would have to presume that the idea formed from Darwinian evolutionary thinking.

Evolution got inserted into the Islamic religion through Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini. Husseini met with Hitler on several occasions [17], and was fascinated with Hitler's idea: "The final solution for the Jewish problem" [18]. Husseini imported Nazi influence (which included evolutionary views) into Palestine and used Nazi funds to finance his terrorist activities. He openly supported Hitler and Mussolini and led a revolt against the British in 1936-1939. He was forced to flee to Iraq where he cooperated with the Nazis in a failed coup attempt against the British. He then fled to Germany where, in November of 1941, he was greeted with open arms by Hitler himself.

Deception

The basic rule of thumb is: never trust what they say, because the anticreationists' motive is almost always to destroy one's faith in God and His creation (more than 90% of the time). And this motive is in everything they say and do. Deceptions are an obsession to them because they basically have no moral code when it comes to their beloved theory of evolution; it must always "look" correct.

Defense of peers

Anticreationists are very loyal to their cause, and their peers. They can never speak an outright unkind word about an action, or words spoken. Richard Dawkins often refers to all Christians as a virus on the human population (society). "A virus" is a categorisation much like Hitler's categorisation of the Jews during the Holocaust. Just make people believe that someone among them is less then human, and soon, in their minds, they actually become that. Ask a anticreationist what he or she thinks of Dawkins' making comments like that, and they almost always defend it. Or if they happen to oppose it, it is a very weak opposition that would almost sound apologetic to Dawkins.

The Rational Response Squad [19] hates all Christians with what could be called passion. They do so many things to make more people hate Christians, and their site reads like a cybernetic war zone. Yet whenever critics ask anticreationists whether they condone their actions, words spoken (such as eliminating Christians in 10 years [20]). They always defend such rhetoric from this and similar sites.

Elimination (extermination) of what is considered a lower race of man is stated by both Darwin, and Hitler.

“ At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace, the savage races throughout the world. (Charles Darwin. The Decent of Man Chapter 3) ”

Anticreationists' excuse for what Darwin said here is that "race" was a reference to animals, even though animals are never mentioned. And it is doubtful that Darwin wanted man to exterminate all lower animals. Nor was this needed in order for man to survive. Besides, animals are part of our food source. To exterminate them would more than likely kill us through starvation. So this attempt to cover up Darwin's racist views is most laughable.

“ I have the right to exterminate an inferior race that breed like the vermin. (Adolf Hitler, Creation magazine vol 18, #1 page 9) ”

Because use of the word race can be considered racism, it is not politically correct any more to categorise human beings by race. So Dawkins found a way to get around this by categorising humans who do not think like him as a "virus" (lower undeveloped life form) instead. Both imply that this categorisation is to make one group less than human in the minds of those who do not think as they do.

Rejecting religion

The only time religion is accepted to any degree by an anticreationist is when theistic evolution is what is being talked about. The anticreationist knows that what is "seen" is more of a draw than what takes "faith" to believe. They get a Christian to compromise his or her faith and allow evolution to dictate truth at some level, which will only lead to the believer's foundation of faith in God to be weakened. This is why they will push so hard to try and get theistic evolution to be accepted in a Christian forum. Evolution is the direct opposite of creation, and will challenge the Christian faith at every turn.

See Arguments against theistic evolution for more details.

Personal Attacks

Anticreationists basically have a hate complex toward anyone who would disagree with their theory of evolution. Because they so want the evolution process to be seen as fact, they will abuse anyone who disagrees with it. Name calling is a way to make the debate look more in their favor because their argument is weak. Of course, no science book nor any description of the scientific method says that this is the way you debate science to find truth! Basically, the rules of engagement are made up to suit themselves as they debate.

This is where certain anticreationists take a special disliking (hatred in some cases) toward certain creationists for their not agreeing with the evolutionists' theory. This special dislike is based solely on the creationist's refusal to agree with evolution. 99.9% of the time, the anticreationist has never met the creationist he has decided to attack, which proves the point that evolution is the sole driving force behind so many evolutionists' personal hatred for people they have never met.

They will personally attack creationists on forums, websites, blogs and the like. All because of what? Difference of opinion? Yes. The evolution theory can survive only if difference of opinion is not permitted to exist. So if the anticreationist cannot discredit the evidence the creationist presents, he will attempt to discredit the individual on a more personal basis — even if he has to lie about this person to do it. When it comes to lies and truth, there is always someone who will believe what is not true, and then tell others that it is true. This is what the anticreationist relies on, gossip and rumors.

But Christ warned us that this would happen:

Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. John 15:20 (KJV)

With just about all that the anticreationists do to attack and discredit the creationist, they actually fulfil scripture, which by their actions, makes the word of God even more true. So in their attempt to reach the goal they desire (destruction), they actually do the very opposite. For as long as we do not respond to their persecution of us, we are in line with how God would want us to react. We give more power to the attempt at persecution when we respond to it in kind. To do so brings us and Christ down to their level. Besides, do we really expect any response to the attack to change it or make it go away? Will anything we can say change everyone's mind about what was said? People will think and believe what they will. It is their choice.

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Matthew 5:10-12 (KJV)

Commonly used terms include such as; ignorant, stupid, uneducated, moron, brain damaged, closed minded, brain washed, fundie are regularily used.

Young Earth Creation

It is sometimes claimed that Young Earth Creation is the main reason people lose their faith. This claim can be construed as a violation of Christian forum rules because it borders on being a personal attack. And is meant as a personal attack on what a Young Earth Creationist believes. The evolutionists will make this claim, and use evidence that cannot be backed up in any way. The truth is, most who decide to leave the YEC stance, choose theistic evolution and from there their faith is destroyed.

What makes a person who believes in YEC give up their faith for evolution is the constant badgering, mocking, and personal attacks the evolutionist ensue upon every Young Earth Creationist they can find. A Young Earth Creationist will often find that he cannot talk to a evolutionist for more than 2 minutes before the evolutionist resorts to these tactics on every subject concerning their faith.

Public humiliation

In a sense that anticreationists cannot always prove evolution to a point that it completely does away with creation. Public humiliation is used. The group of anticreationists who do this are very well organized as they will humiliate anyone who dares challenge their beloved theory. Any creationist that steps out of the norm of not accepting evolution to some degree, and speaks out against it. Will get this humiliation via the web.

Kent Hovind. The most hated creationist by every anticreationist. Here are the examples of websites participating in public humiliation of Kent Hovind. In fact, Kent Hovind has had so much public humiliation by anticreationists that Google has broken up sections of the search (at bottom of search page) if you type in his name. This is an example of how science works if you dare challenge the theory of evolution. Does tax evasion have anything to do with the theory of evolution? You would think it does the way the evolutionist go on and on about what Hovind did.

Ken Ham president of AiG (Answers in Genesis). Next to Kent Hovind, he is also one of the most hated creationist by the anticreationists.

Bad spelling/grammar

This is another often used anticreationist tactic. If the evolution vs creation debate is not going very well, they will start looking for other ways to publically humiliate the creationist they are debating on what ever forum or blog the debate is taking place on. The anticreationist will quote the creationist and use "sic" next to anything that is misspelled, or where they believe the grammar is bad. It is their attempt to gain control of a debate they are losing by distracting their debate opponent.

Not a free thinker

Anticreationists like to think that all Christians are brain washed, that no one in their right mind would ever make such a decision to believe in God's word. So they label themselves as being rational, and all Christians as irrational. They label themselves as free thinkers, and Christians are labelled as people who cannot think for themselves, and therefore need a myth to follow. Whenever an anticreationist says; "I'm just trying to make people think", or implies in any way, shape or form that Christians cannot think for themselves, they are showing their true colors about their commitment to what they believe and their hostility to anyone who disagrees with them.

Example of things they like to say:

  1. Religion is hazardous to your health.
  2. Fundies are idiots.
  3. Christians know nothing about persecution.
  4. Only the stupid are sure of God.
  5. Fundamentalism stops a thinking mind.
  6. All Christians are narrow minded.
  7. How long till Evolution "eliminates" the Christian right.
  8. It's mental slavery to be Christian.

False Identity

Covert ops (that's what they call it) is when people like to use special usernames. avatars, and quotes in their forum signatures, as secret identity to others in their group. The names used are words not commonly found in the English language. They will take unusual words, or names from science, movies that deal with magic, video games that deal with magic, Satanic words, etc. They will also do the same thing with their e-mail addresses. These words can be entered into a search engine and be discovered for their meaning. You can catch many covert members hiding this way. But this is not a absolute evidence to ban. But it is a good reason to watch them from that point forward. And it is never best to let on that you suspect them, or how you found them.

They also like to take more obvious user names and add a few letters to throw off what the real word is. Like adding "ois" to the ending of a word. Or adding a few letters to the beginning of a word. Word games are usually a speciality of those who are caught in in Satanic stuff. They will even spell words backwards, which is a form of back masking (Satanist tactic). So upon doing word searches on unusual user names, you have to play with the name a little to figure out if it's just a random bunch of letters, which most people don't do. Or something with a hidden meaning.

The main draw of covert ops is being able to hide their identity, and play a real life role as someone they are not. And being able to continue doing it on a everyday basis. This is why they will be on the forum practically every day. It is a role playing game they are addicted to. And everyday they get away with it, is another day they laugh at the Christians, who in their minds, are too stupid to figure it out.

An avatar is a little picture under a username within a forum to help identify that person. The avatar issue is where a forum member, who is masquerading under a false worldview will use an avatar that has symbols or words that link them to atheism, satanism, or evolution. The name Satan, or Satanic symbols can be entered into a search engine, in the image section, in which will give a general idea of the different pictures or symbols that will be used.

False witnesses

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:15 (KJV)

There are a lot of anticreationists that are ex-Christians, or grew up in a Christian home but never became saved. They know the Christian lingo, and can fit into Christian groups by faking it. If they are in the covert operations group of the anticreationists, they will join a forum and either act as Christians, or be themselves (atheists) and act as though they had been converted (fake conversion) to knowing Christ. Their conversion is usually through using a mod or admin at the forum they have joined. It is never through a member. This is because their main goal is to become part of the ministry and hold a mod or an admin position. They have to become friends with the people who run the forum to do this, and how encouraged will the people feel that think they brought these people to know Christ? Admins should take to heart Paul's admonition that a new believer should not be made an elder; it applies in this field too.

This is their first step into becoming part of that Christian forum (wolves among sheep). When they get inside the forum they will start passing off information on how that forum works: any information on the mods and admins they can find. They will also pass off information on any of the other anticreationists that are being currently discussed. In this way their friends will know when to cool it during a debate and will be able to do their work of destroying that ministry without getting banned. At this point they become covert agents. They even have agent names and numbers they use when conversing with one another (reporting there inside information).

Their other goal with working from within is to get the rules even more relaxed about allowing evolution to be discussed. Debates between the anticreationist mole and the other mods and admins will go something like this: "How can we reach other evolutionists if we don't allow their view to be talked about more?" They will use their fake conversion, from evolutionist to a fake Christian, as the example to bring guilt among the mods and admins there. They will then try and pull strings to get more of their anticreationist friends aboard so that their views will have a much louder voice from within that ministry. They will try and get the ministry to compromise enough to say that theistic evolution is OK and raise theistic evolutionists to the status of mods.

Once they have established their stake in the ministry and have stopped the constant banning of other anticreationists from the forum, evolution itself does the rest of the work as each Christian member who is weak in the faith (baby Christians) has his faith tested and weakened even more. The forum soon becomes a hunting ground for both evolutionists and satanists as they convert people from being Christian right on a Christian forum. They may also invite them to another forum so they can convert without the original forum knowing about it.

Stopping the Game

Basically, the reason why they can do what they do is because they are able to hide and get away with it. Every mod and admin should be made to give his real name, address, and phone number that can be confirmed by the owner of the forum. Having to expose themselves (private information) to the owner of the forum will deter them from wanting to become a mod or admin, because if they slip up, everyone will know who they are.

Also, make a mod and admin agreement that says that evolution cannot be promoted in any way shape or form by those who help run the forum. This will cut off them trying to work from within to relax the rules on promoting evolution, since if they break this agreement, they know they can be booted.

Make a newbie mod section that is separate from the other mod and admin sections. In this way the information that goes to the new mods can be filtered until the owner of the forum feels they are trustworthy enough to be allowed into the main mod section of the forum. This will keep them from passing on general information about how the forum works.

Most forum programs have a mod (third party mods) that can be installed where the head admin (owner of forum) can read the member's pm. If forum ministry decides to go this route, rules need to be made about whose pm you will look at and for what reasons. This is so that the system is not abused, and those who are not causing problems have privacy. You also need to block other members from seeing each others e-mail addresses. This way most communications between members is done through the pm system, which can be monitored if a suspect member joins and starts using tactics above.

If this mod is installed, it needs to be made known to the members of the forum. They need to know why it is there. If any member has someone bothering them in the pm section they should let the site owner know who it is. The mod is for their own protection.

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External links

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Examples of anticreationist hate

Examples of anticreationist tactics

Videos of anticreationist bigotry

See also

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