Talk:Eden

"Eden" should redirect here. PrometheusX303 19:24, 16 March 2006 (GMT)


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Eden


 * I actually wonder if Eden should have its own article separate to the garden of. But look at what I've now included in this article about the land and see if any of you think it should be removed to its own article. Philip J. Rayment 13:29, 17 March 2006 (GMT)
 * There is really not much to tell about the land of Eden. I don't think a good article can be made from the sparse information about it.  Prome  theus  -X303-  20:02, 17 March 2006 (GMT)

I am wonder if a article could written on the "Tree of life" in the garden. Thank-you! --Anaccuratesource 02:07, 24 September 2009 (UTC)


 * - Eden was described in Genesis with terms and locations that make sense to Israelite living at 1513 B.C.E. So the location of Eden still exists.

Genesis 2:8
 * - There two thing to notes Eden and garden of Eden are not the same:


 * - 1. Eden (a region including the Garden, as well as encompasses the it too.)
 * - 2. Garden of Eden. (Is in region Eden)


 * - 1. Turkey/Iran/Armenia are traditionally linked Eden. (Beth-Eden) [ 38°17'54.64"N 42°44'8.27"E]
 * - 2. Location in Iran? (36°50'36.96"N 46° 6'21.34"E)  [Tabriz, Iran.]


 * - In the general location of understanding: Northern Mesopotamian region.


 * - Because:


 * - 1. The word "roshim" mean the head or source of rivers.
 * - 2. The rivers: Euphrates, Tigris (Tigris/Hiddekel), Pishon (Uizhon) and Gihon (Araxes-Gihon) are there.
 * - 3. Near the region of Ararat.
 * - 4. Tradition.


 * -  Some 'Connections:'
 * - A. “The Biblical word gan (as in Gan Eden) means `walled garden.’
 * - B. Land of Cush: Kusheh Dagh, the Mountain of Kush.
 * - C. Rivers Euphrates and Tigris, Gihon (Gihon-aras), and Pishon (Uizun).
 * - D. A place called Noqdi (Nod) is east of the location. (Genesis 3 NWTref ftn).
 * - E. Dilmun was originally believe to be southern Persia (iran).
 * - F. Persia.


 * - The locals still hold the mountain sacred, Rohl says, and attribute magical powers to the river’s water.

Thank-you! --Anaccuratesource 02:07, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Critics vs. the Bible

 * - Some claim the Garden of Eden is just 'a once upon in far away land there lived...' story although this is what some critics view the Garden of Eden, as a mythological place this is definitely not what the Bible teaches.


 * - 10 descriptive details to Garden of Eden's Location (See below)


 * - 1. A) The garden was within the larger region known as Eden. B) It had an entrance on its east side. - (Genesis 2:8; 3:24)
 * - 2. One river which issued into four rivers. - (Genesis 2:10a)
 * - 3. Located at the heads of the four rivers (indicating a northern location) - (Genesis 2:10b)
 * - 4. The Pishon river. - (Genesis 2:11)
 * - 5. The Land of Havilah. - ('where there is gold, the bdellium gum and the onyx stone.') - (Genesis 2:11, 12) Two people named Havilah are mentioned in the Bible. (Genesis 10:7, 29) The name seems to mean "sand."
 * - 6. The Gihon river. - (Genesis 2:13a)
 * - 7. The Land of Cush. - (Genesis 2:13b)
 * - 8. The Hiddekel (Tigris) river, goes east to Assyria. - (Genesis 2:14) - IDENTIFIED.
 * - 9. The land of Ashshur (Assyria). - (Genesis 2:14) - IDENTIFIED.
 * - 10. The Euphrates river. - (Genesis 2:14) - IDENTIFIED.
 * - Side notes: we also know from the Biblical record that species of Ficus (figs) and Commiphora (the source of bdellium gum) grew in the Garden of Eden.

Note: The writer of Genesis, Moses identified the Hiddeqel as the one going East of Asshur. This can support the belief: the river wasn't permanently destroyed during the Great Flood. Because in modern terms it be like saying: the Tigris river which flows Eastwards in what now present-day Northern Iraq.

- - - -
 * - Also see these places:


 * - Aratta, on the plain of Edin, Sumerian, Mesopotamian mythology.
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aratta#Location_hypotheses)
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enmerkar_and_the_Lord_of_Aratta)
 * - Beth-Eden (Bit-adini). - (Amos 1:5).
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_Adini)
 * - The Garden of Dilmun, Sumerian, Mesopotamian mythology. - "Some scholars maintain that the Sumerians may have originated from the mountainous regions of southwestern Iran, since their epic poems refer several times to western part of Iran as their original homeland." - Wikipedia, which lists Samuel Noah Kramer, An Near Eastern expert as an example.
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Noah_Kramer)
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilmun).
 * - Ekur.
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekur)
 * - Eridu.
 * - (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eridu)
 * - The Garden near Eridu, Sumerian, Mesopotamian mythology.
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eridu#Prominence)
 * - Hubur.
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubur)
 * - The "Garden of the gods."
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_the_gods_(Sumerian_paradise))
 * - The Garden of Hesperides, Greican: (See the chorus: "where immortal fountains flow "by the place where Zeus lay, and holy Earth with her gifts of blessedness")
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesperides#The_Garden_of_the_Hesperides)
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mosaico_Trabajos_Hércules_(M.A.N._Madrid)_11.jpg)
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunlun_Mountain_(mythology))
 * - Greek legend of the "Golden age".
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age)
 * - Mount Sahand.
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahand)
 * - Paradise. (See: Persian paradise, "pairidiz" concept).
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise)
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_garden)
 * - (http://books.google.ca/books?id=U21j7vDhCCIC&pg=PA51&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false)
 * - Tamoanchan.
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamoanchan)
 * - The sacred Cedar Forest, Epic of Gilgamesh, Mesopotamian mythology.
 * - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedar_Forest)