Talk:Japheth

'''I QUOTE A GOOD REFERENCE BOOK HERE, AND THEN I ADDED SOME OF THE LOCATIONS. '''

'''JAPHETH Aryan Branch of Speech: Indo-European (14 families)'''

--Anaccuratesource 01:17, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * - GOMER Cimmerians, N of Black Sea [26°35'54.33"N 106°42'24.94"E]
 * - ASHKENAZ SE of Black Sea [48°49'55.22"N 47°42'0.78"E]
 * - RIPHATH Paphlagonians [41°38'3.28"N 32°20'14.84"E]
 * - TOGARMAH Armenians [40°12'30.61"N 45°22'1.24"E]
 * - MAGOG
 * - MADAI Medes, S of Caspian Sea [ 33°46'48.64"N 47°59'7.73"E]
 * - JAVAN Ionians, Greeks of SE Europe [38°15'29.46"N 26° 4'56.08"E]
 * - ELISHAH Near Greece [37°53'0.20"N 21°15'53.59"E]
 * - TARSHISH Pre-Spanish in SW Europe [37°21'52.11"N 4°34'31.50"W]
 * - KITTIM Cyprus [34°55'0.01"N 33°37'45.00"E]
 * - RODANIM Island of Rhodes and Aegean Islands [36°10'0.00"N 28° 0'0.00"E]
 * - TUBAL Tibareni, in Asia Minor [36°53'46.33"N 30°41'43.38"E]
 * - MESHECH Phrygians of Asia Minor [39°33'53.78"N 30°12'49.59"E]
 * - TIRAS Tyrrhenians, of the AegeanIslands and Coastlands [40°56'37.76"N 12°20'3.29"E]
 * I feel Japheth's descendents also include the Scythians, Mongles and Huns through Magog.--MithirandirOlorin 13:47, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

Iapetos and Pra-Japati
I think this page should discuss these and other Ancient deification of Japheth Bill Cooper mentions in After The Flood.--MithirandirOlorin 13:47, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

Possible Identification with Seth?
In Bill Cooper's After The Flood when I read in the part of the Anglo-Saxon chapter where he discussed an occasion of Sceaf being rendered Seth how Seth could conceivably be derived from Japheth, I immediately wondered if in any way this could be relevant to the Seth (Normally rendered Set today) of Egyptian mythology. Latter when for unrelated reason I was studying the History of Red Hair, I discovered that Red hair was considered a sign of being descended form Seth in Ancient Egypt. I was immediately reminded of this since Red Hair occurs most commonly (Though not always) among descendants of Japheth, Indo-Europeans and some Mongoloids (Mongols I believe are connected to Magog).--MithirandirOlorin 22:37, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

I'm also of the view that Osiris is (in part) based on Nimrod. Historically I believe Nimrod was Enmerkar the King of Uruk, one of my few agreements with Rohl. That would mean his son Horus would be Tammuz. The context of Identifying Seth with Japeth is interesting since I've heard, though I haven't seen them for my self, that there are Rabbinical/Apocryphal traditions that Japheth was part of some sort of Rebellion against Nimrod. Lugalbanda, who reigned between Enmerkar and Tammuz would not necessarily be Japheth himself in this model, he appears to have originally been a soldier and may well have been part of a military coup (Perhaps the first ever) and then a military governor or puppet ruler for a person or persons ruling from another city, perhaps Kish.--MithirandirOlorin 22:37, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

In the Appendices of After The Flood I notice only Japheth of Noah's 3 sons seems to have been deified by his descendants. Grandsons of Noah form all 3 becomes gods and demigods in various mythologies, but he doesn't cite a single example of a pagan god identifiable with Shem or Ham, Ham's offspring are often (Thou perhaps unfairly) viewed as the first to have fallen into Idolatry, yet no idol appears to have been made fomr Ham himself. However Japheth becomes Iapetus/Iapetus (The latter spelling I discovered almost by accident has a Greek Numerical value of 666, and would have been the original spelling, the us is a Latinization) Iupater, Pra-Japati, Sceaf and also possibly Seth. I think the most logical explanation for this difference is if unlike the other 2 Japheth had actually been a King in the early Post-Flood world.--MithirandirOlorin 22:37, 26 May 2011 (PDT)

Seth was also the main god worshiped by the Hyksos, or at least that appears to be the case. The Hyksos where a composite people who included I believe Amalekites, Midianites, Amorites and probably some other Edomite and Canaanite clans. But conceivably I could see a possible Indo-European element as well.--MithirandirOlorin 22:37, 26 May 2011 (PDT)