Organisms come in discrete kinds (Talk.Origins)

Claim CH350:


 * The created kinds are distinct; evolution between them is impossible. "Creation of distinct kinds precludes transmutation between kinds" (Morris 1974, 216).

Source: Morris, Henry M., 1974. Scientific Creationism, Green Forest, AR: Master Books, pp. 13, 216-218

CreationWiki response:

This is mainly because it is impossible to completely reconcile a kind with the current classification system. One reason is because it is too easy for newly discovered varieties to be classified as a new species, genus, family or whatever. Creationists have fallen in to this trap before, by defining a kind as equivalent to species or genus. It seems that a kind is roughly equivalent to family but can some time be as narrow as genus or species. It may even include more than one family.

The problem results mainly from past efforts reconcile a kind with the current classification system, as such real research in to this area has sadly been neglected. It is a common trap in science. However progress is being made.

A kind can be defined as a group of organisms descended from a group of common interbreedable ancestors. Note that only the ancestors have to be interbreedable. The main key to is interbreedablity. Any two animals that can breed and produce offspring are the same kind. Sometimes one variety can breed with two that can breed with each other, in such cases all three are the same kind. Studies in this are have produced some interesting results. If a given kind has a sufficient number of varieties it should still be possible to ling all them through inter breeding. Unfortunately there may be cases were there no living variety capable of  breeding between two groups. In such cases, genetic studies should provide a clue.

Not necessarily one of the results of the increase in variety with in kinds would be blurring of the distinctions. Figure 1 shows the original kinds, and figure 2 shows the results of blurring by diversification. The likely hood of this is increased by the transfer of genes between kinds, and there is [https://www.nature.com/articles/news020923-11 evidence to support it. This could easily occur by way of viruses.]


 * figure 1.


 * figure 2.

It is the standard classification system that is a nested hierarchy.

Wrong, it is what creation produces given the vast variety within the basic kinds.

This is a Straw Man, creationists not hold to this degree of fixity of kinds. It is readily accepted that there is vast diversify with is the kinds. Actually this statement is true, and it supports the actual claim.

These in no way qualify as a new kind of organism, nor are HeLa cells "a wild unicellular life form." HeLa cells have been artificially kept alive for years, in lab cultures. They are still human cells, but because of their disease, scientists have been able to keep them living in lab cultures.

This does not mean that they evolved from existing kinds of organisms. God simply created them as part of the curse of the Fall.