Talk:YouTube participant advice

This information is from personal experience and watching others having to deal with this. I hope this page can stay intact, for it is very important to every Christian Youtube user to know this. and how to keep out of trouble if it comes their way. YouTube will not get involved because it is within the members rights to do what they do. And a couple of members (anticreationists), who probably have the money and time, have already gone up against YouTube. And because of this YouTube pretty much let's them do what thy want because they are trying to avoid legal issues. So it's even best not to contact youTube. Because they will tell you to get a lawyer.&#91;http&#58;//creationwiki.org/User_talk:Ikester7579 Talk&#93; 02:31, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

suggestion
I suggest removing the youtube ID's of the anticreationists. Doing so will do nothing more then give them free advertisement. They are big enough names in the game to really mention anyway. --Nlawrence 04:41, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I used to think that keeping them out of the limelight was the thing to do. But after dealing with this kinda stuff (hatred from most evolutionists) for more than 4 years, I find that it has a much better impact to expose them. You see, evil flurshes where it gets to hide in the dark. It does damage to evil when exposed to the light (exposes their deeds). Allowing these people to do sneak attacks on unsuspecting Christians gives them the advantage. Before posting their names, I had to think about it. The more I thought about it the more I kept coming to the conclusion that it was better to expose them then to allow them to hide like being cloaked. It's a much better game for them the more deception and lies they can hide behind. It's not when people know what they stand for.

They are cronic liars as they will try to put on a front of friendliness at first. Then reel you in. In fact most of them are Satanists. This is because they have choosen evil over Good. And will promote evil every chance they get. &#91;http&#58;//creationwiki.org/User_talk:Ikester7579 Talk&#93; 12:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Not much more to do on this page.
Well I'm pretty much finished with this page. About the only thing left is to post examples if needed. But usually when they find out that their channel or video is being used to make their side look bad, they will delete or change it and claim it never happened, But if someone thinks examples would be good, I'll post links to them.

But I do hope this keeps Christians who have YouTube channels from getting into trouble with these trouble makers. &#91;http&#58;//creationwiki.org/User_talk:Ikester7579 Talk&#93;

Why were the names removed on who to block?
I noticed that the youtube users names who were causing trouble were removed. Why was that? Here is an example of how it is effecting those on youtube who support the anticreationist movement to run off all Christians and creationist off Youtube. Here is a video done about this page: Youtube anticreationist. The effect that these members of youtube, by being exposed for what they do, is exposing evil to the light. Sin: Is when an individual sins against God not on purpose. Evil: Is where the sin is used to work against God on purpose (acts against God). What these users do on Youtube is on purpose. If you have a problem showing the list here, I can do a webpage showing the list that can be linked to from here. &#91;http&#58;//creationwiki.org/User_talk:Ikester7579 Talk&#93; 06:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Their presence was antagonistic and led to some account requests with malicious intent. --Ashcraft - (talk) 13:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * But that is par for the course of what we do. With all due respect, if we back off everytime they challenge, then what is the point of what we do? Our ministry gets controlled by them. They already have control in our schools that we pay taxes on. If we allow them to censor us because we fear them being antagonistic with malicious intent. Then we give way to their purpose and the reason they do it. I have modded and admin a few forums on C vs E. So I really already knew what they were doing. I asked to make sure it was not something else. I deal with them everyday at Evolution fairytale forum owned by Fred Williams. What they do here is no different from what they do there.


 * If you make it harder for them to join you won't have so much trouble. Such as by invitation by established member that is in good standing. Then have them take a creation-Christian test. Requiring someone to have a certain amount of knowledge before they can edit here would weed out the unwantables. And the questions asked can change every so many days as so they don't cheat to get in. It's not if they get the answers right. It is how they answer them that will tell you if they are Christian or not. So it's not really about knowledge as much as weeding the unwantables out. Having them take a test that is not public accessible until a request to join is made, then have them send you their answers through e-mail. Will also make it a more personal response. And not revealing why someone is accepted or rejected will keep them in the dark. There are about 3-4 levels you can disect what was said to determine if they are what you want as a editor. I can help you and your admins learn this and what to look for when someone is trying to claim a certain worldview belief that is not true. &#91;http&#58;//creationwiki.org/User_talk:Ikester7579 Talk&#93; 07:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Spiritual warfare is when you, as a Christian, step onto the Devils turf. It warrants action by those whom follow him, and promote his agenda, which also becomes their aganda. A lot of what I write does exactly that. It exposes their deeds and whom they follow. Bringing darkness to light which always ensures some type of spiritual warfare. How we meet the challenge, tells Satan and his followers, if their efforts will control you. And whether more efforts, just like it, will work as well. I figured out a long time ago that trying to make things fit into where they will always be rejected, is futile. So doing what they want to appease them does not work )An appeaser is someone who will throw their friends and family to the enemy in hopes they will be killed last). The rejection is because they are in denial of truth. This is why their belief requires constant justification to where they have an obsession to debate us and try to prove us wrong in their eyes. Because if they truly believed all that they say and claim, they would not even bother debating us. They would be right in their own minds, and that in itself would be enough.

The actions taken give their words and claims more power for the main agenda. So what is more important: 1) Making the Christian haters at youtube happy so they won't bother you? 2) Making the Christians at yourube more aware of the Christian haters, and who they are, so that they do not fall prey to them?

mk 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

jn 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Christ did not ever try to appease anyone. To appease the enemy is to compromise one's standards and faith in order to make another happy. Their actions towards you is nothing more than a form of witchcraft. Anytime someone does something that threatens another to conform to their will, against their own will. It's a type of control that comes from the very foundation of witchcraft. God gave us freewill for a reason. That is so that our sin is our own and not that of another. And that our freewill will entitle us to the free gift called salvation.&#91;http&#58;//creationwiki.org/User_talk:Ikester7579 Talk&#93; 11:25, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Venomfangx and death threats
I only watched a few of Venomfangx videos and if memory serves they had to do with naturalism/atheism. It does seem to me, however, that VenomfangX was like Hovind as far as being a controversial creationist figure. I also know that Venomfangx did a few anti-Islam videos and Muslims aren't exactly known for their tolerance. Do we really know if Venomfangx received death threats and are we really sure who made them if they were made? What were the events surrounding the situation? I stuck in the word allegedly concerning the death threats as I think CreationWiki should be unlike the evolutionists who are prone to a lack of caution concerning their claims. I also added that the alleged death threats might have come from Muslims. Creationist 23:57, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Page Title
This is an excessively long page name (Creationist video marketing and anti-creationist youtube debate tactics). Ideally titles should be 3 words or less. I would recommend "Creationist youtube video" instead.

--Ashcraft - (talk) 20:26, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

Changed to - YouTube participant advice. Creationist youtube video will be used by or forwarded to a list of creationist videos. --Ashcraft - (talk) 21:43, 11 July 2011 (PDT)

Edits
I made a huge amount of edits to this page and deleted and rewrote many many things. I apologize if I deleted anything important but we probably shouldn't have a "question of the day" (if we do, it should be somewhere else) nor should we make a section that implies that the average YouTuber cannot differentiate between the comment, "What the F*** is wrong with you, you stupid Creationist idiot!" and the comment, "Great channel! I love your arguments, subbed :D!". Also, the article seems to be written from one view, the view of a person who had many problems with atheistic channels. This is fine, but it's not good to require every christian to operate their channel a certain way based on one person's opinions. I had to rewrite it so that it was more neutral - so that we presented possible advantages and disadvantages to operating a channel based on various policies. Anyway, if you disagree, please edit me. I'm not an excellent writer and this page could definitely use some improvement.

Response to edits
If we do not warn the Christians out there of what can happen, then we do a disservice when it does happen and they are caught off guard. Also, the page has been up for a while. The cuss words like f***, if they did not want them here it would have been edited out a long time ago (admins here do a great job of modding). We cannot build a bridge between militant atheists and ourselves and expect them to meet us halfway. Hatred is their game and they enjoy it. Your edits have basically changed the whole page. I will be adding some things back in because people need to know. &#91;http&#58;//creationwiki.org/User_talk:Ikester7579 Talk&#93; 05:06, 14 March 2011 (PDT)