Talk:Shem

Iranians
The Bible teaches us Median peoples an Iranian people descend from Japheth's son Madai. - Genesis 10:2.


 * That's partially true. Read the following pages:
 * Madai
 * Midian
 * Medan
 * Elam


 * The descendants of Madai comprise a portion of the Iranian population. The descendants of Madai first dwelt in northwest Iran and were known as the Medes. They later merged with the Shemitic descendants of Elam and Medan to form the Achaemenid Empire. The descendants of Madai became associated and linked up with the Medanites who invaded their territory from the west. Thus the names Madai and Medes were used interchangeably, but the Medanites formed the ruling class. The empire of the Medes is often referred to in textbooks as the Amadai-Mada-Medes empire (Madai, Midian, and Medan were closely associated with each other). The Amadai were descendants of Madai who were subject to the Medanite Medes, the ruling class of the Empire. The tribes of the Median Empire were: the Busae, Paretaceni, Struchates, Arizanti, Budii, and Magi. Some were descended from Medan, others from Madai. The descendants of Elam, the son of Shem, dwelt in south-west Persia and today comprise a large portion of the Iranian population. -- CelticCreationist 14:58, 26 June 2012 (PDT)

Rhol has the direction wrong
Babel was inhabited by everyone before God stopped that project. The Sumerians however where Hametic, he should know that since it's he who identified Nimrod with Enmerkar, the first Sumerien king, so clearly the Sumerians where of Kush who built Kish. The Semites came latter, the Akkadians, Assyrians, Elamites (and Amurites have Semitic features inspire of being Canaanite). And the Kassidim (Chaldeans) came even latter, the Ur of Abraham was Urkesh not the Sumerian Ur as popularly thought.--MithirandirOlorin 07:41, 26 April 2013 (PDT)

British/Nordic Israelism?
It seems that this entire article seems to denote the notion that Shem's descendants are modern-day Europeans, but particularly the Germanic peoples. Essentially, this article endorses the notions of British and Nordic Israelism. Hear me out: British/Nordic Israelism is not true; it is not even a theory because it is literally supported by no evidence. There is a plethora of evidence which refutes British (and Nordic) Israelism; this video being an example. (And yes, he is right in that the "theory" is just racist/extremist/white-supremacist propaganda.) However, this article makes the claim that all modern European peoples are Shem's descendants, which is plain-up wrong. Europeans are clearly Japheth's descendants.

On the other hand, I believe that the Germanic peoples are still descended from Shem; not from Arpachshad, but through his son Lud. This source identifies Shem as the progenitor of Haplogroup IJ; Lud is the progenitor of Haplogroup I, which is common in northern Europe, while Shem's other sons are the progenitors of the J haplogroups. The J haplogroups are common in the middle east, which the Bible explicitly states to be populated by Shem's descendants. On the other hand, the other Europeans have the R haplogroups, clearly identified with Japheth (whose descendants populated southern Europe).

My best friend and his father were both born in England. Although they are obviously part Japhethite and have Japhethite names, and nor do I know their haplogroup, I believe them to be more from Shem through his son Lud. Their overall appearance and complexion are very similar to Shem as he is depicted in James Tissot's paintings (the guy with blond hair in the purple robe).

TL;DR: Southern Europeans are from Japheth. Northern Europeans are from Shem VIA HIS SON LUD.

Joseph D. Pelobello (Daniel William &#34;Danny&#34; Wilson) (talk) 02:01, 8 November 2021 (EST)