Talk:Soul

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--Mr. Ashcraft - (talk) 00:42, 21 June 2007 (EDT)


 * I notice the ASV version as the example. I only use KJV, is that a problem?Ikester7579 04:43, 21 June 2007 (EDT)


 * You can link to the KJV also. Simply specify that within the template.--Mr. Ashcraft - (talk) 10:40, 21 June 2007 (EDT)


 * ok thanks:)Ikester7579 11:25, 21 June 2007 (EDT)

Some thoughts on article
Hello Ikester, I have a few thoughts on your article, and would like to engage you a bit in discussion. For starters... I don't see any reason to suggest that animals were created in the same way humanity was. You seem to indicate otherwise here:
 * Nephesh is applied to humans, lower animals, corpses and to God Almighty. 

At what point are animals and humanity on equal footing? Humanity was created qualitatively different from other life. I just do not agree with this statement: "The concept common today of an immaterial soul separate from and surviving the body is not found in ancient Hebrew beliefs." Ancients like Josephus definitely supposed man is composed of spirit, soul and body much like in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 (Paul was a Jew). Also your Nephesh / psyche die section, has references describing bodily death of nephesh I could just as easily proclaim, and I think within scholarly circles to do so. This notion connects with your section on Immortality in which bodily death still can be seen as a proper reading, rather than the mental or psyche/nephesh/soul dying. Your Scripture reference of 1 Timothy 1:17 within the Immortality section seems to oppose your stance when verse 16 is read. Simply because immortality doesn't "appear in context with nephesh or psyche anywhere" doesn't mean that the conclusion of mortal nephesh/psyche should be assumed. Instead if you take verse 16 it states: ''16Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life. '' Therefore the body is mortal on Earth, the mental/psyche/soul of the body is immortal, either having eternal life or eternal death at the moment of physical death on Earth, through acceptance in Christ or not. Each human has a soul, which becomes fused or bonded with spiritual influence, namely the Holy Spirit for a Christian or Satanic forces/sin if not. In your "Death of nephesh" section, again this would imply bodily death, and metaphor for the grave.

conclusion
Your conclusion is this;
 * Nephesh / psyche have a physical body and the breath of life.
 * We are nephesh / psyche when we are living beings.
 * Nephesh / psyche die.
 * Nephesh / psyche cease to exist at death.
 * Nephesh / psyche is not conscious and knows nothing after death.
 * There is no such thing as an immortal nephesh / psyche.

The English word soul commonly has meanings different than the Biblical nephesh / psyche.

Rather I would posit;
 * Nephesh/psyche is referred to as either body/physical or mental/immaterial (soul or spirit or both/one when bonded with influence)
 * We are in the image of God, thus different from animals, but still living beings.
 * Nephesh/psyche as context dictates being body/physical does indeed die.
 * Body decays, but soul remains to put on resurrected body, this is enabled through the choice of the Holy Spirit influence on your soul while on Earth in your physical body.
 * Nephesh/psyche is both body/physical or mental/immaterial deteremined on context, thus something does exist after death.
 * Bodily no, we are not immortal on earth, but our soul is that is within our physical frame. Thus at the resurrection in Christ, after death the soul or your self embody again with perfected bodies in Christ. Because we gained eternal life for our soul in our Earthly/physical bodies warring with the flesh with what the spirit is willing to do. This view I have constructed fits perfectly within the biblical theology of battle between the soul and the spiritual influence through the soul upon flesh that creates action (Matthew 26:41).--Tony 19:02, 22 April 2011 (PDT)