Talk:Flood geology

study flood geology?
If I wanted to seriously study flood geology, are there any universities where it is taught?~

Drlindberg 09:01, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

Yes and no. I do not know any course named "flood geology" is offered in >95% of the university/college. But the content of flood geology is taught in almost any geoscience departments. If you like to talk about flood geology a little bit, we can do it right here. --Juvenis Sun 15:54, 2 December 2006 (EST)


 * You can learn and head for advanced scientific classes at ICR. Click HERE to check it out. --Tony Sommer 13:45, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

The process of Liquefaction
I am glad that at least someone figured out some hypothesis so we could start to talk about the issue. I am very impressed by the two images presented in the article. If the descriptions are true, I have no idea how could the two cases be made. Notice that I do not think the hypothesis of liquefaction can make it happen either, unless the mechanism of liquefaction could be elaborated at least sever times better than what is said in the article. Let's go from the early stage: water came from the ground and fragmented the "sedimentary" rocks above. How would this action liquify the existed sedimentary rock, for example, a sandstone? I have no doubt that the water, under high pressure, can break the rock. But to liquify rock would need a different mechanism. I don't think the globally circulating tidal wave can do that either. Very strong wave or current would simply pulverize the sandstone and disperse the sand away. That is not what liquefaction is. --Juvenis Sun 15:54, 2 December 2006 (EST)


 * I'm not precisely an expert, but I don't think sedimentary rock is a good choice for an example dilemma. After all, the existence of sedimentary rock is explained as being the result of the Flood.  Therefore, sedimentary rock, including sandstone, may not have existed to any great extent at the time of the Flood.  --Zephyr Axiom 00:12, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Question
Here is a question for Juvenis Sun, who so kindly offered to enlighten me about Flood geology. I understand that there are no dinosaur fossils found in Germany and in Quebec (and probably other places). How would flood geology explain this? I visualize it as one big flood, where everything was getting all mixed together, so I would expect things to be about the same everywhere. Thanks for your help. --Drlindberg 20:23, 21 April 2007 (EDT)


 * The discussion pages are provided for article review as specified in our policy. There are many creation vs. evolution discussion forums, such as OriginsTalk, which are specifically established for that purpose. --Mr. Ashcraft - (talk) 00:29, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

New suggested opening paragraphs
I like to propose the following paragraphs to replace the current opening ones.


 * Flood geology is the study of geologic evidence within the paradigm of creationism that assumes the literal truth of a global cataclysm as described in Genesis 7 and 8.  Genesis is read as a historically accurate record from which a geologic history of the earth can be derived.


 * Flood geologists seek to show that Earth's geologic features are best interpreted within the Biblical cataclysm and consequential aftermath; including sedimentary strata, fossilization, fossil fuels, sumbarine canyons, plate tectonics, salt domes and frozen mammoths.


 * The concept of the global Flood is an assumption within which Flood catastrophists start. It is an established historical fact, not a hypothesis to be tested by science. Therefore, the Flood cannot be falsified by any scientific data. Pseudoscience is the development of supposed scientific hypotheses that cannot be falsified or the continued advocacy of falsified hypotheses.  However, since the global flood is held as a historical fact and not as a scientific hypothesis, Flood catastrophists dismiss out of hand the charge of pseudoscience by anti-creationists.


 * Creationary cataclysmists do, however, develop flood model hypotheses based upon the historicity of the flood. These models, which are flasifiable, attempt to explain the geologic record within the fact of a global cataclysm.  Yet, even if some models are falsified, that does not falsify the fact of the global cataclysm.


 * Flood geology is premised on catastrophism and the rejection of uniformitarianism. Interestingly, the difference between flood models and actualistic interpretations of naturalistic geologists is largely just one of intensity.  All geologists today accept the actualistic view that allows for major cataclysms interspersed among large time periods of near stasis.  In contrast, Creationary modelers put a series of closely related cataclysmic events into a short period of time.  For instance, given the reality of impact craters on earth, what would have happened if comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 had hit Earth instead of Jupiter for a week?   Flood geologists explain strata with reference to catastrophes like the eruption of Mt. St. Helens, which carved out enormous canyons and laid down large amounts of rock strata within the space of a single day.


 * Flood geologists reject radiometric dating because the assumption of deep time (millions and billions of years) required for the dates of rock layers to be accepted as real. Since the Flood and the flood layers are known in creationism to be less than 4000 years old, computed old dates are completely irrelevant to any flood model.


 * I probably would have changed the paragraphs by now, but I am unable to edit the first part of ANY page in CreationWiki. I can only edit a page starting with the first section that has 'edit' on the right hand side.


 * Somehow I didn't sign the paragraphs above....  --Allenroyboy 20:05, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

To edit the beginning, go to the top and you will see different tabs(e.g. edit, history,talk). Click on edit and the entire page will come up in edit mode. From there you can edit the beginning. --Nlawrence 21:39, 8 October 2007 (EDT)


 * I have been editing on Wikipedia for a long time. The problem is here with Creationwiki.  Whenever I click on the "edit" at the top of the page all I get is a window that asks what to do with a .php file. It doesn't matter what computer I'm on in the world or what browser I use.  It must have something to do with my account here on Creationwiki  Allenroyboy 23:10, 8 October 2007 (EDT)
 * You might want to check your browser and make sure you are able to read php. If that doesn't help drop a message on Ashcraft's user page. --Tony Sommer 13:43, 9 October 2007 (EDT)