Talk:Great deep

The great deep is the oceans of the world.

While this statement might be accurate in the modern sense, regarding the Biblical reference to the flood, most creationists interpret the great deep to be the subterranean aquifers.--Ashcraft - (talk) 21:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I would concur, and excellent additions. --Tony 01:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * What is important to me is what the Bible says, not what some creationists think. According to the defining verse of the article "great deep" is the seas and oceans.  There is no other Biblical definition.   Anything else is speculation.  Allenroyboy 04:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree that there is no other definition in the Bible. The use of "great deep" in question is in reference to the "springs" which spewed forth during the flood. Since springs by definition come from subterranean aquifers, the passage would seem to clearly define the great deep in this case as a subterranean body. --Ashcraft - (talk) 15:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The NIV use of the word "springs" is unfortunate because the implication of the English word spring does not really fit the use of the Hebrew word 'ma'yan'. Joshua 15:9 talks about the "fountains/springs" (ma'yan) of Nephtoah [modern Lifta] which was and is known for it's two large reservoirs of water.  Ma'yan is thus identified as reservoirs rather than a typical spring.  The idea that 'fountains' means water jets coming from the ground is an entirely modern twist of the term.  No water jet 'fountains' existed in the world until about 1000 After Christ when they first were invented.  Before that, such as when they wrote the Bible, no one would even know what we mean today by water-jet fountains shooting up from the ground. Allenroyboy 16:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * These little differences the NIV uses for paraphrasing and ease of reading, is why we should think about using the NASB as our main quoting version. Just my thought. The NASB has wisely chosen the correct words far better than the NIV. --Tony 19:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Not true. A quick search of the Bible will find many uses of "springs"/"fountains" in the Old Testament referenced in a flowing context, including those specifically coming from the ground (hot springs even). The most obvious translation is that these were springs of subterranean origin as we know them today.

In any case, this statement (The great deep is the oceans of the world.) in the context of Genesis 7:11 is simply not supported by the creation science community, and therefore is in conflict with the purpose of the CreationWiki. Articles on the CreationWiki should not be written or modified in such a way as to express an opinion as paramount which is known to conflict with the consensus of the creationist community.

Although it is possible to place a "personal opinion" on an article, an article can not be built to express such a view as paramount or to the exclusion of others. Articles are meant to be literature review in nature. Opinion pieces must be written using the (Essay) namespace (i.e Essay:article title ). --Ashcraft - (talk) 01:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)